"Creature Comeback Week"?

happyfaceperson • 31 July 2013 at 1:27 PM

So I've been looking at all these old coves and thinking, man, the long-time users have so many old/LE creatures, sadly the only way the new users can get them is by trading a load of equally rare creatures, which truthfully, are hard to get when you're just starting out.

I am an somewhat old user myself, I was here since the first CRW started, and unfortunately I've been away on a hiatus at one point and most of my LEs died .-. One of the only way to trade for old creatures with new ones are with CSPs, but I can't use money on this site, so I have to sit and envy the people with the rares and LEs I used to have...

So I thought that maybe some of the old retired cave creatures could come back in the cave for maybe a week or so, to give new users a chance of obtaining these rare creatures. Maybe not even a week. Also the chance of finding an retired creature could be really low, like finding an egg at the Asteroid perhaps (not exactly sure on this one, either the chance is really low or I have horrible luck >_>).

I understand that this would really deflate some of the old creatures' value, but it gives a chance for new users to enjoy what the old users had the privilege to. It's not their fault they joined late and missed out on all the now-rare-and-extinct creatures. And obviously the old versions would still be more valuable than the re-released ones, as they were the "originals".

Argh, sorry for the block of text but it'd be really nice if people could consider it >_<

metaphor • 1 August 2013 at 3:20 PM

I can see the (unjustified) outrage now.
Oh yeah, Christmas...I already saw it.

nanica • 1 August 2013 at 4:06 PM

@happyfaceperson

I'm one of those new users, and I think this could be a great idea. 😊

newlife • 1 August 2013 at 8:47 PM

@happyfaceperson
This would not work.
People have spent a lot of time and money to get to their coves.
Many of the older users will agree with me.
Gotta shoot down this idea, sorry.

semo2005 • 1 August 2013 at 9:06 PM

@happyfaceperson I'm one of those new users so I love this idea but what about events/plots?

faybaybay • 1 August 2013 at 9:13 PM

Gotta agree with newlife. If the corphex were re-released, even into the cash shop I would be P.Oed because I traded so much for mine. Besides, trading around is half the fun of this site, it can't all come easy.
@newlife
@happyfaceperson

metaphor • 1 August 2013 at 11:31 PM

*sigh*

sony • 2 August 2013 at 1:16 AM

@happyfaceperson
No... This is a really bad idea, this idea has been put up before once I think. And although you have specifically stated that they could just come back for a week or less than than, and values may drop instantaneously but not too much, a lot of users' hard work would get lost, and it's unfair for them.
New users just have to find their ways to get the old creatures, work harder, try to get down to values, etc,... not just getting them easily from the cave.

happyfaceperson • 2 August 2013 at 1:31 AM

Seems like the new users versus the old users ^^;

@metaphor
Not really sure what you're saying...? *being dumb lately* But if you don't like the idea, I totally understand.

@nanica @semo2005
Thanks for your support c: I think this should only apply to cave creatures, as I can't really think of a way to duplicate the events/plots without messing everything up.

@newlife @faybaybay
Like I said above, I was thinking of only the old cave creatures would be re-released, as I can't think of how to release the others without completely deflating the value.
I agree about the trading part though, I enjoy stalking the trade center all day for deals I can afford xD;

@sony
Figures, it's been suggested before? Looked through a couple pages of the Suggestions forum and saw mostly creature suggestions, so I gave up ^^"
Of course, the creatures wouldn't be "easily" available. Getting them could maybe be something like Asteroid egg chance, although I have no idea on that since I have crappy luck anyway .-.
And, like I said, the originals would still be worth more since they're well, "original." c:>

I knew a lot of people wouldn't like this idea, but thanks for the feedback nonetheless~

bah I type too much

newlife • 2 August 2013 at 1:32 AM

@happyfaceperson
Cave creatures?
Some of them are rare now, and hard to obtain. Since they've retired and everything. You'd still deflate the value system

ladybugheart • 2 August 2013 at 1:50 AM

@happyfaceperson

I believe @metaphor was referring to Christmas 2011. ^^ Several rare creatures were re-released in the cave for a day, and many users were upset about it.

I have to agree that it probably wouldn't work out well for reasons other users have already brought up. If I recall correctly, Ian said he wouldn't re-release any more retired creatures, and I hope he doesn't. C:

faybaybay • 2 August 2013 at 1:53 AM

@happyfaceperson Yeah but correct me if i'm wrong. Tines were old cave critters i'm pretty sure. & those go for thousands of CC, if they were re-released it would make a lot of users mad who payed real money for the critters, just to find them for free in the cave again. This topic has been brought up many times, and as great as it may sound. it could ruin eggcave-conomy for a lot of creatures/make a lottt of users angry. Just like when the christmas creatures from 09 were re-released in 2011. It caused a big riot and I wasn't even there for that xD

hai • 2 August 2013 at 2:00 AM

I don't get how people get mad over re-releases. I've spent a nice amount of money on this site trading but I would love it if retired creatures came back not only for me but for any other user who may never get the chance to even own a creature they may like.

It doesn't matter to talk about the topic as Ian has already promised to never re-release retired creatures.

Deleted • 2 August 2013 at 2:05 AM

@happyfaceperson
I am a somewhat a newwie and an oldie...Somewhat :/

Now when I first was newbie newbie I was frustrated that I couldn't get my cove as nice looking as the oldies

(All I had were Luciales, I arrived at December)

That was about it but as I played longer I gained creatures, more money, friends, talking, learning more about eggcave

@riverthatflows (my brother's and my storage, most of my creatures are there because I keep immortals there, 3/4 of his cove are mine because he doesn't play much, a few minutes each day 😋)


People work really hard getting their creatures, either trading beloved creatures that they would rather keep but had to in order to get a dream creature, or using actual money, or spending countless hours feeding and gathering ec.

So that's about it, getting an awesome cove filled with awesome creatures takes time and hard work 😸

fluffamun • 2 August 2013 at 2:12 AM

@happyfaceperson

I half support this. Maybe not CC creatures, but Cave Monthlies that people were unable to get, maybe every week a new LE would be in the cave and only for that week again. It's still a game of chance, it still makes them pretty rare, and it makes the newbies happy. Everybody wins.

metaphor • 2 August 2013 at 7:36 AM

People who get mad over re-releases clearing don't have a great understanding of supply and demand...

More users join seeking the same creature = demand goes up.
Even if creatures were re-released in very small batches, the demand would stay constant.


Personally, I was delighted that I got a Foo on that Christmas without having to spend tons and tons for one. and I already had a Florn that I traded for so yeah.

I can understand being a little miffed if CC creatures are released to the cave. But very old cave creatures shouldn't cause an issue.

Really, I think the biggest concern would be people using sides to steal from the cave.

karamel • 2 August 2013 at 7:59 AM

@happyfaceperson Anyone who saw what happened in Christmas 2011 (especially with the forums) will most likely understand my point of view.

Think of the people that have /already/ traded a lot of things for that one creature.

Now think of that effort being wasted because some people couldn't be bothered to put in the same amount of effort.

Yes, it has been suggested several times. Each time, the majority vote was against. I don't expect anyone to find those old topics because of how far back they go and there isn't a search feature here, though.

It's not really newbie vs. oldie, more but-that's-not-fair vs. we-worked-hard. Egg Cave isn't just about getting rare creatures (or even having creatures in general) and rare creatures are not a necessity. EC is increasing in value now that hard CC is completely untradeable (notice I said 'hard', which means the actual CC and not the CSP items or creatures), so creatures may be easier to get depending on who you haggle with.

No support here. I've been blunt to save you the time.

@metaphor Just responding to your last point - anyone who misuses their side account is breaking the site guidelines and consequences will follow, so that's not the biggest concern IMHO.

dafni • 2 August 2013 at 8:08 AM

@happyfaceperson

I'm kinda new here, just close to my 3th month, but I'm against this as well...
I think EC should bring new stuff instead on re-made old ones, because it's the base of the trading that eggs have different rarities...
Over this, what about if I give away 2-3 extra cool critters for one that it's in my whishlist and than after a month EC gave them out again even if for a week?
And if I have already that eggs, meanwhile other new users have new creatures to enjoy with, what I have to do, see others happy and me getting just doubles?
As other users said, it's really unfair u.u

Deleted • 2 August 2013 at 8:31 AM

@happyfaceperson
There are people who still didnt purchase CC (any bit), and built their coves with hard work. I myself fed a billion coves last year, to be true (in total) to get a lot of EC, from which I started making up my cove. Trading is the part of the site.
Many lazy new users might think that if they can get awesome creatures by just sitting and clicking some eggs, and thats it. Thats not fun, it would encourage laziness.
Also, usually envious people bring up/lift up this idea (not calling ANYONE in particular). They should start working hard for their creatures. Those who have real money, have a longer end of the rope. The rest, who are using this site for free, MUST work hard.
"No pain, No gain. Capice?"
Without hardwork if I was to get Tines and Macbots then why would I spent 6-10 hours a day on EggCave, I'd only need 5 minutes to get my dreamies, and after immortalization, its done.
Those who spent more than $1000 on this site, what would be of them. Is that amount a small sum to play around with?
In 2009, there were Foos, Florns, Roos, Treelars and Swornts. Among these, at that time, you had to steal a creature from the cave, until you got either of them that made their value high. People who were lucky got those Foos, but actually, there were very less people at that time. By 2010, there were much people in EggCave, and the unstable values disturbed the community a lot. People wanted them so badly, and spent a lot on pixels. Then on 2011, the re-release occured. Most of the CC buyers were cursing EggCave, Ian and the site staff for such an event. Many of them demanded their money back. Half of the CC buying users quit. Then Ian himself promised that NO re-releases would be occuring/or even happening from his side, and he promised not to do so.
This loses the point for such a suggestion. This is not needed then.
If you need something, then work hard for it. Trading is a part of the site. Stop sobbing there, and use that time for feeding. Accumalate and trade.

I'd say if Tines and Jester eggs are re-released, then I'm out of this site for sure

disneyland • 4 August 2013 at 12:31 AM

@happyfaceperson

I like the suggestion. If you had a comeback week once per year with different creatures each time it would not decrease there value that much. For example, a creature comeback week in October for Halloween creatures, then the next year a creature comeback week for another month for that months retireds etc.

So that would satisfy the people who are worried about their precious values.....

It would also give everyone who didn't have a chance to get them a bit more of a chance.

Because I have a goal of a frozen 1st stage Kringus...and it's probably going to be almost impossible for me to accomplish. Even with feeding practically all day....

Some of the people saying that this is a bad idea kind of have a sour attitude about it. There's nothing wrong with giving everyone on the site a chance at achieving their goals. If people quit egg cave over something so petty like that than so be it. If you don't like me for saying this, I'm sorry it's my opinion.

EDIT:

With saying this, I would appreciate if no one said I was just saying this because I am lazy. I just thinks it a nice idea. I am in fact feeding all day every day towards my goal of a Kringus. If that's lazy then hard working must be some crazy stuff.

clayosaurusrex • 4 August 2013 at 12:41 AM

@HappyFacePerson

No. Just, no.

This would HUGELY affect values. If Doovoos were released again do you think they would still be worth over 20k CC? Same with Macbots and Tines, as well as many frozen eggs. (Specifically Unchaga eggs.)

Many users would quit. Especially those that buy CC. Then EggCave wouldn't make enough money, and would be shut down.

Again, no. Just, no.

mightyeglantine • 4 August 2013 at 1:05 AM

@happyfaceperson

We've all started out as newbies ourselves so I would have to disagree with this idea but if it was to actually be used I wouldnt be too outraged.

sony • 4 August 2013 at 1:23 AM

@faerie_eclair_mallow
There are creatures like that, for instance, the Kujaks, the Kinumps, the Elges, they come back pretty much once a year on special occasions, their status aren't "retired", just "seasonal", so yeah...

About the Kringus, you just have to work hard for it, you're still pretty new here, and you can't just accomplish your Kringus goal in such a short period of time, it takes time, patience the key.

They can't have the Kringus come back, they just can't... because it was available in the CSP, and the users who purchased the Kringus bought them with REAL MONEY, getting the Kringus back to the cave would be horrible, it's like... they've wasted 5 dollars on something that can be obtained within just effort and patience virtually.

This is what the site is all about, if you want something, work for it, not just about giving everyone "a chance" to get what they want that easily!
I'm not up against you or something, I just feel like it's necessary to explain this! ^^
Sorry if I caused any inconvenience!

And excuse my English! xD Isn't my first language!

disneyland • 4 August 2013 at 1:33 AM

@Sony

Oh I know, I am working towards my Kringus. 😋

And if they bring them back they can bring them back in the same form that they were released the first time, to purchase with CC. Like for a certain month they can release creatures from that month, but only in the format that they were originally released.

I don't see anything wrong with giving people and opportunity with re-releasing creatures in the same format but not the same ones every year. The values would not go down much since they would only be available for a week. Not everyone would be able to buy CC for that specific week, and not everyone would get the cave creatures for sure within that week. So the creatures value really wouldn't go down a crazy amount.

It seems logical because not everyone wants to trade away their creatures, which makes it difficult for people to be able to trade for them...not because of the cost...but because of the lack of people willing to let them go.

This is why it would be such a great thing. I think that a site is no fun if people don't want to give other people equal opportunities.

Do you understand a bit more of where I am coming from now?

Sorry If I didn't explain well, I am not good at explaining things.

Deleted • 4 August 2013 at 1:33 AM

@happyfaceperson

No.

It would affect a ton of the values of creatures. When Foos, Florns, and all the others from Christmas were re-released one year, it was not pretty.

People have spent a lot of money to put into their coves. The people who have also traded a bunch for a creature that is worth a lot, for example a Balrog, how would they feel like to spend so much for one creature that all of a sudden have been re-released?

Just No.

sony • 4 August 2013 at 1:47 AM

@faerie_eclair_mallow
I get what you're saying! 😸

If the creature comeback week happened for many times (like... once in a year, each and every year), the values would definitely decrease, either a lot or a little, it would still decrease, and would most likely anger lots of users!
And everything would be messed up!

How do you know that not many people are going to buy CC in that specific week? Perhaps they aren't willing to buy CC in these recent weeks because they don't like the new creatures, but if the retired creatures that they like come back, they'd definitely get them in no time!

And that's what this site is all about, like I said... patience the key, not everyone has creatures UFT put them in the TC or in the forums, I had a hard time hunting down my Leroon (which is still a recent CSP) because it wasn't that popular and not many people want to trade theirs, but I managed to get mine eventually, it takes efforts to get there!

It's not like the site isn't giving everyone an equal chance or something, they just have to face it. Had the new users joined earlier, they wouldn't have had such a hard time getting the creatures they want. The old users had to work hard to get theirs, too! It's not unfair!

happyfaceperson • 4 August 2013 at 1:51 AM

@newlife @ladybugheart @faybaybay @hai @skyhealeroftheskies @fluffamun @metaphor @karamel @dafni @frosted @faerie_eclair_mallow @clayosaurusrex @mightyeglantine @sony

sorry if you don't want to get pinged on such a, i suppose "stupid" topic but i supposed i'd like to say something to everyone, a few concluding messages or such.

first off if anyone wants to call me lazy i'll say ok, sure, since i kinda agree with that sometimes...
(i remember i went on a feeding spree once for the calla release to find that it only cost 1/7 of what i saved up. then i got really busy with rl and became more and more inactive/lazy with the site...i remember i had a couple baistays and olimpts and all that stuff from the first crw, but when i came back from hiatus they were all gone. it made me a bit mad to find that they were going for so much now >.< //end sob story i'm sorry you had to listen to that ._.)

um, i'm sure i mentioned that this would only apply to old cave creatures? as with others it wouldn't really work. ^^;

i was unaware of the 2011 re-release, thanks for pointing that out to me o: as such i didn't know about what ian said about no more re-releases (evidently if i knew i wouldn't have brought up this suggestion), so sorry for being a bit ignorant ^^;

although this probably wouldn't be implanted either way, thanks for the support from some of you guys, it means a lot to me c:

karamel • 4 August 2013 at 1:52 AM

@faerie_eclair_mallow
"So that would satisfy the people who are worried about their precious values....."
No, it definitely /would not/ for me. Say the creature that was re-released was highly sought after (there are plenty of these - Christmas 2009s, Tines, Onnies, Nyms, Macbots, Doovoos, Olimpts, etc). People who were already interested go and get these creatures and the demand decreases by a whole lot. Some very new newbies take interest in these creatures and demand decreases a little bit again. After this, excluding the newbies that /just/ missed out on the re-release, who is going to want that highly sought after creature again?

"It would also give everyone who didn't have a chance to get them a bit more of a chance."
Yes, more of a chance of being lazy.

"I think that a site is no fun if people don't want to give other people equal opportunities."
I think a site is no fun if some of the community work hard for their goals and others don't.
Egg Cave can't make /everything/ fair. No sites can. If someone has something you want and you don't have it, you can't just create a ticket and ask for Ian to be 'fair'.

I completely understand where you're coming from and thanks for being so honest and mature with your opinion.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I am simply stating mine, as you did yours.

@happyfaceperson Pings only work for the first 5 people. 😉

Thanks for your calm response about this. c: I hope you (as well as anyone else) didn't take offense from the responses. It isn't a 'stupid' topic at all; this section is for suggestions and you suggested something. 😋

I'm surprised no one pointed you in the direction of the FAQ:
"Are holiday, event, or limited edition species ever re-released?

In almost all cases, no."
(From 'The Archives' section.)
I assume by "almost all" they were referring to the 2011 re-release.

disneyland • 4 August 2013 at 1:56 AM

@sony

Yeah, but if the comeback weeks had different creatures each time the decrease wouldn't be to bad right? I mean there's a lot of creatures so if they get re-released in a comeback week once someone would have to wait quite a few years before it ever happened again. I think in that time span the value would increase little by little again.

And I say that because some people cannot always afford to get CC right at one very moment. Things come up sometimes and people can't always get it right at that very moment, like I'm having that issue now 😋

People would still have the opportunity to work hard and save, but they would also have the option of waiting years and years for a creature to get re-released in a comeback week, if that even made sense? 😋

But yeah...I don't think they should just be given away, that's not what I mean by my suggestion at all. But if the re-releases were different every year, and hundreds of creatures were involved in the re-releases, it would take many many years at a time for them to get released. So I don't think they would become super common? Correct me if I'm wrong though!

I'm not trying to be unfair about it, I just feel that this may be a way of doing it without drastically decreasing the prices so people still have value in the creatures they worked for.

(And if I ever come across rude just let me know. I don't want to be rude, I am fine just discussing it without it turning into bickering or anything) 😊

@karamel

Yes, more of a chance of being lazy.
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So then, were the people who were here when the creatures were available considered lazy just because they didn't have to work for it? It's the same basic thing that you are saying would make people lazy? So I just don't get it. So if you can explain better please feel free to do so 😋


I think a site is no fun if some of the community work hard for their goals and others don't.
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The ones who were members of egg cave then didn't have to work for it. My suggestion is mean't to keep the values up while still giving people a little bit more of an opportunity to get retired creatures. Not to encourage "laziness" which I don't think this would make people lazy considering there values would still be up there. I know I would still work hard towards goals.

But yeah, hope I didn't sound rude, I know you are entitled to your opinion, and thank you for stating it. There is definitely nothing wrong with that.

karamel • 4 August 2013 at 2:05 AM

@faerie_eclair_mallow "Yeah, but if the comeback weeks had different creatures each time the decrease wouldn't be to bad right?"
a) They're weeks; nearly all of the userbase are online at least weekly.
b) The more different creatures you release the more values will drop (notice I mean the plural, not the actual amount of value)

Some people have saved up their CC. When the 'Gift CC' option was still available, a lot of (very generous!) people held contests and giveaways - usually with CC to increase popularity - and those who worked hard enough would get CC. It may not have been much, but after the CC update everything was rounded up. Those who spent it, good on them. Those who are saving it, good on them too. They do what they want with their CC; doesn't matter if they've wasted it or saved it for a rainy day. (I had 1,1-- and it was rounded to 1,500 - I didn't buy anything; I just haggled with lots of EC and one creature that I also hadn't bought.)

Also, there are /still/ going to be people that will complain about not getting their dreamies because they weren't here at the time. They will suggest more 'comeback weeks' and deja vu will ensue.

(Same with me; sometimes I can be extremely defensive and sound rude without no intention of doing so /at all/ so do feel free to hit that report button. xP)