Pokemon question (EV training)

evolutary • 7 August 2011 at 12:23 AM

@treelar Gallade's moves, Close Combat, Psycho Cut and X-Scissor has no pokemon to resist his attacks. And by the way, I'm a girl 😊

Heracross and Pinsir's movesets have no resistances! Same with Arcanine except that Rotom (heat) resists it but you're not going to see it anytime soon.

Drapion will be walled by Steel types. If you switch Ice Fang to either Earthquake or Aqua Tail (by move tutor), you would only have 1 resistance each - Skarmory and Empoleon respectively.

Wow, losing 3/8 hp every time an enemy makes contact? Lol, if it hits 3 times it's dead 😈 Again, Ferrothorn is walled by Steel types. I think it can Bulldoze but still has a considerable amount of resistances. Good moveset though 😊

treelar • 7 August 2011 at 5:19 PM

@Evolutary omg, sorry xD i usually don't check profiles lol xD

Rotom (Heat) is prohibited from the battle subway so i won't have to fear it anytime ^^

What if i teach Drapion thunder fang? or fire fang? 😱 and should i teach it swords dance or agility? both are great moves X)

And just thought of getting a brelokiller ^^

Brellom: Spore, focus punch, facade, substitute.

Brellom will hold toxic orb and have the ability poison heal. He will heal 1/8 each turn, which is half of the damage taken from substitute!
I know that this set is totally walled by ghost types, but that's no problem since i can always use spore and switch out!

It seems like ferrothorn can also learn curse 😱 so this is what his future moveset should look like:

Curse, power whip, iron head, bulldoze (but rock smash can also lower opponents defense sometimes)

And this infernape is for gen.V, what about it?:

Thunderpunch
Flare blitz
Stone edge
U-turn

Infernape can also learn close combat, earthquake, brick break, acrobatics, poison jab, shadow claw, punishment, rock slide, low sweep and various stat increasing moves.

EDIT: A moveset for my milotic: Ice beam, thunderbolt, hydro pump, recover.
Should i swap anything against dragon pulse or should i swap recover against anything?

And what if i switch Arcanine's Aerial ace/Earthquake with Crunch or iron tail?

evolutary • 8 August 2011 at 7:25 AM

@treelar No problem xD

If you teach Drapion Fire Fang, it has the least resistances, in which Heatran, Tyranitar and this Rock/Fighting type would resist it. Thunder Fang would be stumped to Ferrothorn, Magnezone, Dialga, Excadrill, Steelix and the crocodile one (I remember seeing on the website a few months ago when B&W was released about it having a new Dark/Ground type). Depends which is more important (lol I always say that xD) Speed or Attack?

I had a Breloom in Pokemon Diamond which won 17/20 contest ribbons! Anyway, Spore is the best skill ever 😸

I think Bulldoze has less resistances than Rock Smash, but you're right, RS does lower defense while Bulldoze lowers speed, but Ferrothorn has 20 base speed anyway.

Your Infernape's 4 attacks have no resistances! I always say to myself, 'If a skill has less than 60 power with no secondary effects, that skill is weak, especially unSTABed.' I always liked high power skills😊

Milotic is a really good tank! So I think Recover would be good, because your 3 attacks would only be stumped to those Lightningrods and Volt Absorb pokemon and the rare Shedinja.

I think Arcanine's moveset is fine 😊 I had a Infernape with Earthquake and didn't do much damage unless it was super effective. I had Empoleon with Aerial Ace and didn't do much damage either. But yeah, Earthquake and Crunch are always good and Iron Tail is a good Steel move even though it has low accuracy.

treelar • 8 August 2011 at 9:42 AM

@Evolutary

Heatran and terrakion are still rare in the battle subway while tyranitar can be eliminated with a fighting move.

Wow! thats a lot! my empoleon has won all contest ribbons except of the highest rank ones 😋

Well, rock smash is still weak so bulldoze it will be! xD

Yeah but aerial ace for example is always good against evasive foes 😉

I think Milotic would only be walled by volt absorb lanturn (And shedinja) 😱 So recover is a great move ^^

Well, so it should be earthquake, flare blitz, wild charge and crunch for arcanine? since aerial ace is kinda weak and iron tail has low accuracy Dx

And i have a few problems with my aerodactyl :l
I have battled a few ground type pokemons and they almost all have awesome defense, and they wall aerodactyl perfectly! So should i teach Aerodactyl ice fang or aqua tail instead of thunder fang (Since stone edge is better than thunder fang against water pokemons)?

EDIT: Just realized Arcanine isn't so fast, so which move should i swap against Extremespeed? crunch maybe?

And is this a good moveset for rotom-wash? (in gen.V)

Thunder, hydro pump, rain dance, will-o-wisp.

I had to select between thunder wave confuse ray and will-o-wisp so i selected will-o-wisp 😊

And here is a double battle whimsicott set:

Leech seed, toxic, tailwind, protect.

The ability will be prankster 😊

evolutary • 9 August 2011 at 3:36 AM

@treelar Arcanine's attacks are only resisted by Hydreigon. If you switch Wild Charge for Extreme Speed, you will have no resistances. Switching Earthquake would give you 3 resistances - Hydreigon's evolutions.

Right now, according to resistances, your Aerodactyl is only stumped to Grass/Fighting. Ground types do have a lot of Defense. If you switch Thunder Fang with Aqua Tail, the resistances would be the same while Ice Fang would get rid of all weaknesses.

You could teach Rotom an Ice move so that you wouldn't have that much pokemon resist your moves, but when you're not versing Grass or Dragon type, this is a good moveset😊

Wow, Prankster is a great ability! You know, in Generation I (I think) Leech Seed and Toxic would stack onto each other so you would leech how much Toxic did! For example, if Toxic did 1/2 damage, Leech Seed would too! Unfortunately, this was a glitch so it doesn't happen in later generations. I just realised that Grass/Poison (like Roserade) resists both Leech Seed and Toxic!

treelar • 9 August 2011 at 3:34 PM

@Evolutary Just realized my arcanine has only 2 IVs in attack and 30 IVs in speed O_O will send over this arcanine to HG and breed him with another arcanine to get at least 28 IVs in attack and 30 EVs in speed. (When i give a parent a 'power' item, the IVs will pass on to the egg pokemon)

But wild charge is too important for water pokemons 😱 will switch out crunch against extremespeed then ^^

And yesterday i realized that IV training gives a huge difference in stats! The metagross i have in black has around 190 attack while the one i have in pearl has 200 attack! (At level 50) So i will try to train in IV too even if it is one of the most disturbing things to do ^^

Rotom can't learn ice type moves, but thats no problem since i have changed my mind and won't use rotom, instead, i will mostly focus on OU pokemons (Overused, the ones that are very strong such as garchomp and latios!)

Will teach Aero Ice fang ^^

Yeah, prankster is great but not that good in single battle.
That's why i will change protect against sunny day and leech seed against solarbeam! (Solarbeam is great even if my whimsicott has 0 EVs in special attack!) or what do you think?

And is this a good moveset for Latios:

Dragon pulse, flamethrower, luster purge, thunderbolt.

Dragon + fire attacks can handle all types! right?

EDIT: Is this a good gyarados?:

Bounce, waterfall, dragon dance, earthquake.

evolutary • 11 August 2011 at 4:26 AM

@treelar Yeah, IVs make a huge difference. My Staraptor which is Adamant nature has a Special Attack IV and has 31 (the maximum) O.o

Rotom can't learn an Ice move? It looks like it can xD

Whimsicott has 116 base speed (which is heaps considering that fact that Shaymin Skyform has 127, fastest of all Grass types, Sceptile who has 120 is second) and 77 base Special Attack which isn't really much, but at level 100 it should have at least 200+ Special Attack which is good enough😸

Dragon + fire can handle all types of pokemon if Heatran didn't have Flash Fire😈 Since you have Thunderbolt, no pokemon resists your attacks! I haven't really used Latias (too lazy to train one) but yup, that's a good moveset!😃

Gyarados' attacks only have Rotom-Wash but you won't see it in the Battle Tower anyway. I've battled with Gyaradoses that had skills stumped to water! Being stumped to your own type is annoying xD

treelar • 11 August 2011 at 8:32 PM

@evolutary wow! out of 15 caught gengars, only 1 of them had 31 EVs in a single stat and lucky me since it was special attack! xD

Nope, rotom can only learn ghost, electric and moves like that. Even if it changes form ☹️

Uhm, whimsicott outruns all grass type pokemons and possibly every pokemon if it uses a status move and has the ability prankster ^^ (gives +priority to status moves) so encore, taunt and sunny day can be awesome moves for whimiscott 😃

*kicks heatran* Stupid awesome resistant pokemon -___-
Well, latios is awesome xD latias isn't as good though 😋

Rotom-wash won't ever make an appearance in the battle subway either xD

Hmm.... i have no moveset i need help in today :l maybe because i have been lazy on searching for movesets xD but what i need this time is some ideas for a great double battle team! i need it for the battle subway and it should mostly include OU pokemons and pokemons that has awesome stats! i thought about having regirock, tyranitar, gyarados, latios but i don't really think it is that good :l

evolutary • 12 August 2011 at 5:01 AM

@treelar I'm never good at double battles, because you have to kill both if you don't want to get hit (most of the time I OHKO and don't lose any hp since I attack first). I usually always lose when it comes to double battles. The very common double battle technique is using a hit-everyone-skill and your second pokemon is unaffected (like having a Flying/Levitate pokemon and use Earthquake).

Depends what type of pokemon you want to use. Status support, effective sweeper, durable, works well with 4 pokemon, strategic pokemon (like Counter/Mirror Count) etc. I could help you on building a good moveset but first it depends which one you want 😉

Your Gyarados would work well with a Levitate pokemon like Latios, because of your Earthquake. Both Gyarados and Latios are effective sweepers (and quite durable if not faced with super effectives and with Gyarados' Intimidate). Regirock and Tyranitar are good since Tyranitar has Sandstorm which boosts Rock types' Special Defense by 50% (but you probably already knew that xD) Regirock has 200 base Defense and 100 Special Defense and with Sandstorm it is increased to 150.

treelar • 12 August 2011 at 5:02 PM

@Evolutary the 50% boost in special defense is what makes me choose regirock xD Sandstorm + regiriock = able to wall most things!

Is this a good moveset for regirock?: stone edge, earthquake, fire punch, protect.

Fire punch is for the disturbing ferrothorn, foretress and scizor.
Or i could switch it against explosion since tyranitar will have protect and gyarados will have bounce 😊

And in gen.IV i loved hail team ^^ i always used it 😃 but then i realized the only positive things in it was blizzard, ice body, snow veil and the damage, which is inferior to sandstorm (Since it increase attack and speed too if used with correct abilities thanks to gen.V)

I also recently saw that garchomp is a monster when it comes to sweeping. So should i add garchomp instead of something?

And i also love trick room teams ^^ what about this:

Dusknoir: Trick room, fling (iron ball), shadow punch, fire punch.
Snorlax: Curse, rest (chesto berry), crunch, return.
Machamp: Dynamicpunch, stone edge, ice punch, protect.
Metagross: meteor mash, hammer arm, earthquake, protect.
Bronzong: Trick room, gyro ball, earthquake, hypnosis.
Ferrothorn: gyro ball, curse, protect, power whip.

Which 4 of these pokemon should i first train? or which other pokemons? i must have 2 trick roomers in the team though.
snorlax, machamp, metagross and ferrothorn are monsters when it comes to trick room!

evolutary • 13 August 2011 at 3:15 AM

@treelar Regirock will only be walled to Flygon 😸

I've rented a few Garchomps in Battle Factory and here are some of the skills (not my own moveset though):

Adamant nature, Brightpowder: Dragon Claw, Earthquake, Sandstorm and Double Team. (It's alright except with only 2 attacks, I don't have a variety of supereffectives and even with Brightpowder, Sand Veil and Double Team, I still get hit heaps and there's not really a point since Garchomp is a sweeper.)

Adamant Nature (can't remember): Aqua Tail, Aerial Ace, Stone Edge and Earthquake. (This moveset isn't really good either, with no Dragon move, I'm stumped to a lot of things and since I am not STABed, this isn't a good sweeper. Aerial Ace was useless here too.)

Modest Nature, Expert Belt: Earth Power, Dragon Pulse, Flamethrower and Surf. (This is quite a good sweeper, however it only had 250 Special Attack. Salamence is much better when it comes to Special Sweeping.)

All of those (your own) are good movesets!😊 I suggest you train Bronzong (Trick Room), Machamp, Metagross and Ferrothorn first. Best sweepers, if you ask me xD

treelar • 13 August 2011 at 5:57 PM

@Evolutary flygon can be destroyed by another pokemon ^^

A defensive garchomp isn't so good :l and yache berry is alot better than brightpowder when it comes to sweeping 😊

I am trying to get a special salamence ^^ with the moves dragon pulse, hydro pump, flamethrower and protect 😊

But isn't it better if i take with me 2 trick roomers? just in case bronzong loses and the trick room ends :l

And is this a kinda good salamence: Earthquake, fire fang, dragon claw, protect/substitute

evolutary • 13 August 2011 at 9:51 PM

@treelar From my previous post, I meant that yours were good movesets, not the Battle Factory's. xD

I rented a Salamence which was Modest nature (holding Wise Glasses), and had Draco Meteor, Hydro Pump, Flamethrower and Ominous Wind. This set was actually quite good, except the held item and Draco Meteor was the negative thing. Wise Glasses only boost up 10% of Special Moves.

You are going to eventually train all of your pokemon, right? So yeah, I usually train all of my pokemon first before battling😃

I don't really like the move Protect because I get killed anyway, the next turn (since I am so bad at predicting).

Your Salamence's movesets both have no resistances! Dragon + fire gets rid of every pokemon except Heatran and with Hydro Pump and Earthquake, Heatran is eliminated😈

treelar • 14 August 2011 at 5:09 PM

@evolutary aha xD and i just realized the regi trio works superior in trick room teams, especially if they have explosion! (although, regice isn't the most reliable exploder since it has very low attack)

Draco meteor is TERRIBLE unless you know your opponent is going to get OHKOed (or if you are holding a white herb) that set would be kinda good with a life orb ^^ ominous wind is awesome against psychic and ghost pokemons that wall salamence (Cresselia, hypno, dusknoir ect.) But hidden power dark/Ghost is a stronger option if i have correct EVs ^^

Suprised i am mentioning Hidden power instead of dark pulse? that's because after reading some topics offsite i have realized that using the action replay to teach water pokemon flamethrower or fire pokemons waterfall is a very silly thing and makes pokemon very easy.
That's why i will stop using action replay to teach my battle pokemons TMs they can't normally learn ^^

Yeah, but it will take lots of time before i IV train all pokemons in my trick room team xD

I am good at predicting, especially if i am using a weavile ^^

Speaking of weavile, it is a great pokemon for a counter-sash combo! just like gengar, counter-sash can defeat at least 1 pokemons in single mode.
Also, which pokemons can resist these type combinations:

Ground-rock
Ground-ice
Ground-electric
steel-bug-flying-fighting (used by scizor)

And what move should i give heatran as a fourth slot filler? i already have fire blast, dragon pulse and earth power.

evolutary • 15 August 2011 at 6:40 AM

@treelar Lol yeah, I guess so xD My pokemon Diamond had these cheats on it where you can OHKO each pokemon or had 999 health (it was very glitchy).

My sister's pokemon Pearl had cheats that made every pokemon shiny, can learn every TM/HM and you could choose which pokemon and level you wanted to appear. So we just used that account mainly for catching pokemon (legendaries as well😃) and sending it over xD

Octillery, Togekiss and Lucario can learn almost all types, and have the most diverse movepool (even though Octillery is kinda bad).

Flygon, Claydol, Bronzong, Breloom/Virizion and Torterra resists Ground/Rock.

Ground/Ice has Bronzong, Ice pokemon with Levitate, Shedinja, Surskit (lol) and Rotom-Frost/Heat/Wash (even though you won't see those anyway xD)

Scizor would only be walled by Electric/Flying and Rotom.

Pure grass types will resist Ground/Electric as well as Bug/Grass, Breloom/Virizion, Torterra, Wormadam (Plant/Sandy), Zapdos, Flygon, Shedinja, Shiftry, Abomasnow, Cacturne, Celebi/Exeggutor, Claydol, Sawsbuck, Giratina, Gliscor, Hydreigon, Latias/Latios and Nincada, if you teach it an Ice move, you'd be fine😊

I would suggest giving Heatran a Steel move (such as Flash Cannon) as it is STABed. Steel gets rid of Ice and Rock, which Fire and Ground can. Your moves resist all types, so put whatever move you think suits best!😊

treelar • 15 August 2011 at 12:51 PM

@evolutary yeah, when i first got my AR, i used the 999 HP and OHKO cheats all the time xD thats why i have a streak of 98 (and continuing) in the battle tower in pearl 😋 i also used to capture lots of rare pokemon at level 99 (max to get trough cheats) and use rare candy to level them up to 100 (without ev training, nature check or anything xD)

Togekiss is awesome! so is lucario! i am going to get a togekiss soon, and is this a good set for it:
Water pulse, aura sphere, air slash, nasty plot/calm mind.
I can also change something into psychic, shadow ball, ancientpower, silverwind or fire blast/flamethrower 😊

Welll, then ground/ice is a better alternative for nidoking/queen ^^

Electric/flying pokemons that appear in the pokemon subway are only zapdos, thundurus and emolga, but emolga is too weak.
And what good moveset would be for a technician scizor? i don't think rock smash and aerial ace are the best alternative :l

But even without steel attacks, heatran isn't walled by any type combination!

evolutary • 16 August 2011 at 5:14 AM

@treelar When I first played pokemon Diamond, I had no idea what the natures meant. Unfortunately, that account corrupted so I can no longer look back at it☹️

Togekiss' attacks have no resistances! If you switch Water Pulse with Psychic, Shadow Ball, Ancient Power or Flamethrower/Fire Blast, you will still have no resistances! Silver Wind has Electric/Flying and Rotom as resistances, and with just Flying and Fighting, the resistances would be the same. Quite amazing, huh?

Hmm, well, Technician Bullet Punch is amazing! 40 power would go to 90 power, which is basically a 90 power Steel move which goes first! Fighting moves are always good, and when paired with Flying, has very little resistances. You could also choose Metal Claw, which has a chance to raise your attack and would have a base power of 112.5, but does not go first. For your last slot, you can teach it anything. Pursuit would get rid of all your weaknesses😊

treelar • 16 August 2011 at 10:15 AM

@evolutary how did the account/game corrupt? 😱
And lol, in pokemon XD: gale of darkness, i didn't know the different between atk. and sp.atk so i just taught my tauros ice beam, flamethrower and thunderbolt xD

Water pulse is awesome for confusion! 😸 silver wind isn't that great after all, the chance for the special effect is only 20% with serene grace xP

Bullet punch covers my steel STAB so i won't need metal claw 😸 bug bite is very important, aerial ace is kinda important for evasive foes. Night slash is even stronger than a technician pursuit so i will go with it instead ^^

evolutary • 17 August 2011 at 7:50 AM

@treelar Lol same xD I didn't know what skill was good and what wasn't. I had a Grotle (still evolving it) and I had Absorb. I leveled up and it said he wanted to learn Mega Drain now, completely ignoring the power and accuracy, I just read the description and it was exactly the same thing. I kept Absorb because it had more PP!😈

I also thought Aerial Ace was weak, because I tried it on a Rock pokemon so I kept Wing Attack because it had more PP xD

Well, I tried downloading some games onto my game card and then when I tried it, ALL of my games stopped working and they wouldn't load. Then I had to delete them all (in which most of the games on it had good accounts) so I started a new one. I have to say it's better though, but it would have been interesting to look back at my pokemon.

treelar • 17 August 2011 at 12:13 PM

@evolutary lol xD and wing attack is the same as aerial ace except of accuracy. But wing attack is great if you don't want to waste a TM!

Some games? wait, how can you download something into a DS game card?

And is this a good rain dance team (will first train only 6 out of these, which ones should i train?):

Dewong: Rain dance, rest, aqua jet/ice shard, toxic.

Kabutops: Rock slide, waterfall, night slash, brick break.

Kingdra: Rain dance, hydro pump, dragon pulse, yawn.

Milotic: Hydro pump, dragon pulse, rain dance, recover.

Ludicolo: Hydro pump, energy ball, ice beam, focus blast.

Lumineon: Attract, captivate, toxic, charm.

Swampert: Waterfall, hammer arm, ice punch, Dig.

Starmie: Thunder, hydro pump, psychic, ice beam.


Dewgong will be there to disturb the opponents while another pokemon defeats them.
Kabutops, ludicolo and starmie will hold choice band, scarf and specs respectively.
lumineon and dewgong will be for status ailments.
Swampert, milotic and kingdra are just regular sweepers and switch-ins.

evolutary • 18 August 2011 at 3:22 AM

@treelar You know those game cards where you can download games onto them? Those DSTT or whatever they're called.

I like attackers more than status pokemon, or 3 attacks and 1 status/stat boosting skill. Well, I have to say, Kingdra, Starmie and Swampert are awesome killers (I've used them all in Battle Factory and have a Starmie myself) and for some reason, Swampert never dies!(When not hit with a Grass move). Kingdra has only 1 weakness (as well as Swampert) and Starmie is really fast.

I've used Ludicolo with those moves and it is a pretty good sweeper, it's just the Speed that hinders its sweeping ability (but not exactly in your case since it holds a Choice Scarf). By the way, what will its ability be, Rain Dish or Swift Swim?

Lumineon is quite fast, and fast pokemon are always good, Milotic is a good tank, Kabutops can OHKO pokemon when it attacks and Dewgong is good at status effects. They are all good, so it doesn't matter who you choose😊

treelar • 18 August 2011 at 2:08 PM

@Evolutary nope, i don't know about any game cards that you can download games into 😱

Well, if so then i will select:

Kingdra, Swampert, milotic, kabutops, gyarados, suicune, empoleon, lapras, kingler, starmie.

Ludicolo doesn't have that good stats, while lumineon isn't as fast as other pokemons.
Starmie, kingdra and swampert has kinda low stats but they have other things to cover for that.

Here are the new movesets:

Kingdra: Ice beam, hydro pump, dragon pulse, rain dance.
Swampert: Waterfall, ice punch, hammer arm, dig.
Milotic: Ice beam, dragon pulse, hydro pump, recover.
Kabutops: Rock slide, waterfall, night slash, brick break.
gyarados: Waterfall, bounce, stone edge, dragon dane.
Suicune: Rain dance, hydro pump, ice beam, extrasensory.
Empoleon: Hydro pump, rain dance, ice beam, grass knot.
Lapras: thunder, hydro pump, ice beam, rain dance.
kingler: crabhammer, brick break, x-scissor, rock slide.
Starmie: Thunder, hydro pump, ice beam, psychic.

I have 4 pokemons who can learn rain dance in that team.
I need to train at least 2 of them first and 2 bulky ones (this is a double battle team)

Kingler will hold choice scarf.
Kabutops will hold choice band.
Starmie will hold choice specs.

Are these movesets good? are there any pokemon that resist all of kingler's, starmie's and kabutops' moves?
Is grass knot good for empoleon?

I am thinking of starting to train these 4 pokemons first:

suicune, gyarados, lapras, kabutops.

evolutary • 19 August 2011 at 9:48 AM

@treelar Wow, 6 Hydro Pumpers xD

Let's see... I think you should train Kingdra, Suicune, Starmie and Swampert/Gyarados first!😊 Kingdra can have the ability Swift Swim and is quite unkillable, Suicune has 115 base Defense and Special Defense (and because Suicune looks cool 😈). Starmie, Swampert/Gyarados OHKO a lot as well, even though Starmie is a bit frail and Swampert and Gyarados have 4x weakness to Grass and Electric respectively. You could teach Swampert Earthquake since it is usually a sweeper.

Lapras (for some reason I always get defeated by Lapras in the Battle Factory while I die when I use it) is good too. Empoleon has a lot of resistances (and when trained well) and can be quite fast (mine has 206 speed with no EV training since it was my first pokemon). Quite high Special Attack.

Kabutops and Kingler hit hard, while Milotic is difficult to take down (and is quite annoying when being versed by it). They're all good movesets so it doesn't really matter who you train first;)

Kingler and Kabutops have no resistances if you don't count Toxicroak with Dry Skin. Only Shedinja resists Starmie's moves. Grass Knot is a good skill for Empoleon! It's the only Grass skill it can learn and covers Water and Ice's Water resistance (if that makes any sense).

treelar • 19 August 2011 at 1:44 PM

@evolutary Yeah, kingdra is awesome and no pokemon resists it's attacks too 😱
Starmie is a very good sweeper but won't it get defeated kinda fast? but who cares since it will be able to defeat at least one opponent before going down.
Nah, swampert might be bulky and have only one weakness but not nearly as good speed and attack as gyarados! and i would have taught both swampert and gyarados earthquake but this team is for double battles ☹️

I hate when i battle a lapras! it keeps using curse, and then aqua tail and ice shard!! Gah!!
Empoleon is awesome! and a good switch in! (So is swampert, kingdra and milotic too)

Kabutops and kingler aren't the best options against special attacking opponents but they have awesome attack and defense! (while kabutops has great speed AND swift swim!)

Empoleon's grass knot is awesome for taking out ground, rock and water pokemons (since swampert, most ground and most rock pokemons are heavy too!)

evolutary • 22 August 2011 at 3:48 AM

@treelar Sorry, I don't think I got the ping.

Kabutops has 80 base Speed, 105 Defense and 115 Attack. Except I always kill it before it touches me xD With Swift Swim, Kabutops speed would be increased to 160!

I'm always so bad at double battles. You know in pokemon Platinum where you have to verse Flint and Volkner with your rival? It took me ages to kill him since 1. Your rival is so bad and so stupid (I did Earthquake when he had Staraptor then he switched to Empoleon) and 2. There is two pokemon attacking you at once. The bad thing about Surf, Earthquake etc is that it hits your allies as well! That's why in the Battle Tower Multi Battle, I can't use my Empoleon's Surf!

I don't know whether Grass Knot is physical or special. Grass Knot, if you look at the description, says it's special. However, both Mirror Coat AND Counter can deal damage back when Grass Knotted. Also, in the Battle Factory, pokemon who are Adamant natured and have low Special Attack are taught Grass Knot (I rented a Torterra with Grass Knot who had 117 Special Attack). Torterra's Grass Knot and Roserade's Grass Knot (both rented) did roughly the same damage, though Roserade's did more.

phoenix • 22 August 2011 at 3:04 PM

@evolutary no problem, i think you didn't get pinged because i edited in the ping after i posted the reply.

Kabutops has awesome speed in rain!!
Double battle with a CPU player is bad. Double battle when you control both pokemons is good! you can easily abuse earthquake and surf with protect, levitate or water absorb ^^

Grass knot is special, but is it really countered by counter? weird.
Well, some pokemons, even though they are physical sweepers, have grass knot because of water bulkers.
Even serebii said that an adamant, 0 sp.atk EV metagross could do serious damage with grass knot against swampert or suicune or something like that! wow!
And roserade is the strongest non-legendary grass pokemon in special attack, cool!

evolutary • 27 August 2011 at 9:08 AM

@phoenix Yup, I'm pretty sure Grass Knot can be Countered. In one battle, I knew the pokemon had Counter, not Mirror Coat, so I used Grass Knot thinking that I wouldn't be Countered, but the pokemon used Counter and, well, I died. xD

Wow, I didn't know Roserade had the highest Special Attack! It has a base of 125. I trained a Deoxys in Special Attack and raised it to level 100 and it has (I think) 503! It didn't take long to level up my Deoxys, since my sister hacked me a shiny one and traded it over + lucky egg which means double experience gained!

phoenix • 27 August 2011 at 2:01 PM

@evolutary Deoxy's (attack form and regular form) has very high attack stats but very very low defense stats (especially attack form)

And wow, grass knot is really weird then O_O

Roserade has the highest speciaL attack of all non-legndary grass pokemon, not ouut of ALL pokemons lol xD