CC is ruining my time here. [Rant]

whispers • 25 July 2012 at 8:55 AM

I bet there are lots more rants like this. I know. But I just need to get them out.

You are all going to tell me that CC is needed to keep the site up. I know that. I know Ian needs it to keep it up. But lately we've been revolving around it. And this site isn't so "free" anymore :/

I wasn't here too long before the monthlies. I came a few weeks before they started. And when the monthlies first started, people weren't obsessed with CC, and the cave creatures had the same quality as the CSP ones.. So it wasn't bad then. People would still trade creatures. As a newbie I could actually get my cove to grow!

Then came the "Gifting CC" application. Then that's when it went downhill. And it went fast. Everyone started trading CC, which lead to scams.

Then now, all I see in the trade center for creatures I want, "Seeking CC" People just want CC. CC this, CC that. I'm just sick of it! ☹️ Newbies can't trade much. The cave creatures are at a lower quality than the monthlies, and it seems like there are more CSP releases than cave releases ):

And on the front page of EC it says; "Welcome to Egg Cave! We're a bustling online community where you can get free adoptables and virtual pets from the magical Cave in Ark that is always stocked with virtual pet eggs..."
But it's not really free with everything revolving around CC!


I'm done ranting. But all this CC is making me want to quit. Cause I can't even trade much anymore.

Sorry if I wasted your time :/

hayz • 25 July 2012 at 9:02 AM

@whispers

I never did traded much when I first joined, but I liked the old Eggcave community better. I just want everything back to the way it was, preferably before the January incident....

whispers • 25 July 2012 at 9:06 AM

@hayz
The old community was better. Now there are a lot of people who are rude.
January incident? o.o
I know of a Christmas incident, but not a January one >.<

stellie • 25 July 2012 at 9:09 AM

@whispers I agree with you, but everybody needs freezes... even me... ☹️ feels horrible trading with CC

Deleted • 25 July 2012 at 9:09 AM

@whispers @hayz

Dont quit over this, you can ask for getting the CC before the trade and then trade it or else, do not trade - you can sense a scam, and if it is a Moderator, dont have problem , just trade it - i dont think so any mod may scam us 😋 , I just sold my storticai to meteroid for 500CC 😃 Good offer! He's a fan of the asteroid creatures , but I atleast want one, so i am seeking 1

dionaea • 25 July 2012 at 9:10 AM

@whispers

I agree, it's gone overboard with the CC. There are just too many CC pets coming out and not enough LE cave pets. It does kinda ruin the fun. I started buying CC because I do love some of the CC pets and want to support the site, but the balance is gone completely. It's one of the reasons I'm not on often anymore, the other being the constant asking for my creatures and that certain people try to talk you into selling your pets nearly for free and then sell them off again right away after saying they'll keep it...

So tired of that...

seaangel • 25 July 2012 at 9:17 AM

Agreed.

Wait, but what is the January incident??

hayz • 25 July 2012 at 9:56 AM

@whispers

Well I call it the January incident because the truth was revealed in January.

@julie

I'm not quitting. I'm just gonna stay and lurk.

And when I grow 3 years old on EC, I'm gonna freak newbies out with some kinda scare scheme. XD

Deleted • 25 July 2012 at 9:58 AM

@hayz Imeant it for @whispers

mrsgiggles • 25 July 2012 at 10:00 AM

@whispers I feel that the root of this issue lies with a few very active users started trading heavily, asking for only CC most of the time or paying CC to get eggs/pets to resell/retrade. I'm not blaming them - they devote themselves to what they do, more power to them, and they are not breaking any rules here.

But the end result is this: these traders end up getting most of the eggs in circulation - mostly because they are willing to pay CC for them - and people end up needing CC to get eggs from these traders. So CC becomes even more valuable than before, especially when chances are only the CC trader will have the pet you want.

It also doesn't help that we now get 3 new CC eggs every month, while we get 1 Cave egg if we are lucky. Again, the CC demand increases.

The problem isn't CC: it's us. If the CC traders will somehow open up and accept other currencies, such as EC, perhaps both newbies and old users won't feel that they have to use real money to derive any enjoyment in this game.

But there's no easy solution to this. The CC traders are not doing anything wrong, so what do you want Ian to do? Perhaps the solution is to stop CC trading altogether? But that will cause another uproar. My personal suggestion is to release only 1 CC egg every month and 2 LE Cave eggs. Hopefully that will reduce the demand of CC.

snowrosehell • 25 July 2012 at 10:09 AM

@hayz - I kind of agree. Even though you're older than me [on here] When I first joined here, it isn't really much as it was right now.

When I FIRST came here.. everything seems.. uhhh... pretty normal? And not to mention the fact, NOT boring. 😊 I'm kind of sad that most older ones quit or left because of that. I also knew that things change and will never the same as it was. It will change for better and worse. (Well unless if oldies rule?) xD

I know that in the near future, there will be LOTS of changes but I think people will be more obsessed? with the CC. It takes TIME to get your dream cove, whatever. But I'm sure patience is the answer. 😊 I don't mean to offend or somewhat related. It's just that my observation(s) from the time I got here. It was quite peaceful before than of now >For me<. 😊

whitefire • 25 July 2012 at 10:33 AM

@Whispers I agree. I'm a newbie, and I'm not allowed to get CC on here unless someone trades/gifts it to me or whatever, but I can't get my dream Cove without CC anymore. I wasn't here when everyone was asking for creatures, but I wish it was like that now. I will never get a Gadfly, my dream pet, now because of all this CC junk. I just want to trade what I have for things that I want, but it seems that's never gonna happen because of all this CC trading. I can't even get LE's to trade for a Gadfly! Some people will never get their dream Coves because of it. I just want there to be no more CC trading. If people are kind enough to gift others CC, then great! I--er, I mean some people--would love some *Hint-hint*, but it's not fair to others if everyone's trading for it. Again, I completely agree with you.

mrsgiggles • 25 July 2012 at 10:40 AM

@whitefire It took me over two years to get a Tine, and even that, it's due to the generosity of another user who left the Tine in my care.

If you want your Dream Cove right away, you are going to be disappointed. Nobody said getting dream coves here is going to be easy. It's not impossible, you just need to be patient.

zoom150 • 25 July 2012 at 10:44 AM

it took me a LONG time to get where i am now........ @mrsgiggles @whispers

whitefire • 25 July 2012 at 10:46 AM

@MrsGiggles Yes, I understand that, but I might never get it due to CC trading is my point. It will--no, would--take time, but with this CC Capitalism, there WILL be no dream Cove for me, unless I find someone who is very generous and will take what little I have to offer.

harrypotter123698 • 25 July 2012 at 10:51 AM

The reason why LEs arent as valuable is because more and more users are joining and getting more and more cave LEs. So I don't blame Ian for that.

And CC is an option. You don't HAVE to get it. The site can't pay for itself. With more and more users joining everyday, it's hard to pay for the site. After all, Ian needs money like all of us, and this is his way of getting it. I really don't mind the CC factor.

mrsgiggles • 25 July 2012 at 11:02 AM

@whitefire Don't say that. Never say never. I don't hoard, I give away my spare LEs practically for free, and I don't stalk the trade center, and I can still get a Tine, Onny, and Foo from generous people. And I got these the Tine and Foo just this month with the CC craze and everything.

So don't give up so soon.

dionaea • 25 July 2012 at 11:13 AM

@whitefire

I agree with mrsgiggles, there are still people around who trade LE's for EC too. If you offer fairly you'll definitely be able to get somewhere. Try some auctions maybe? Or try finding some of the older players with well stocked trading side accounts and make a good EC offer, that way you can avoid sky high prices from bidding wars. I think the main problem of some newbies is that they're trying to get their stuff for almost nothing, I'm not saying you're like that, but it's made me a lot less generous ☹️

Deleted • 25 July 2012 at 11:23 AM

@whispers
I know how you feel. But like @mrsgiggles said, there is no easy solution, especially now.
If I may speak my mind, I consider Ian to be a bit blind. He made eggcave this way. If Ian might had thought it out a bit better, or maybe had more experience, or maybe had a different set of goals in mind, whatever the case may be, eggcave probably could have been so grand and far more better than it is now. This one adoptable site I play on runs on no real money. Almost every inch of it is perfect , in my opinion, and it's theme is highly desirable. There is nothing for anyone to argue about there. The whole place runs calmly and peaceful and is greed free. I love it so much. In my view, it only needs a few small changes to be entirely a wonderful place. If I knew how and had thought of it's theme first, I would have made such a place. Games are supposed to be fun and relaxing and maybe even intellectually stimulating. Not a stress inhibitor and an encourager of greed like this place now does. ☹️ Now, I am not saying Ian meant for all this to happen, as I am sure he didn't. But this is what his choices have lead to, so there you go.

hoppingfrenzy • 25 July 2012 at 11:38 AM

@whispers

I refuse to trade for CC now-a-days. That seems to be the only way to grow your cove at all. Sometimes I'll sympathize with the newbies and gift them the new monthlies, but even gifting is starting to come with pitfalls.

I'm starting to have problems with the click exchange as well. At first it seemed like a great idea, but now almost no one will feed coves and the camaraderie that came from that is gone.

dios_storage • 25 July 2012 at 11:50 AM

@hoppingfrenzy

I know exactly what you mean. Doing something nice doesn't make you happy these days. The main problem seems to be that some of people don't get that other people want something back for what they give. Whether it's just a happy face and treasuring a pet or return clicks/feeds, the principle is the same.

panda-chan • 25 July 2012 at 11:59 AM

Truthfully i am never going to buy CC. I might if i really like the creature well and even then i dont think i will. I love the pandai but dont want to spend money on it. Plus i have found a nice user who has said they will trade with me when i reach 2 weeks. So yes there r still good peopleon the site. (My dream cove includes 6 pandais and 10 punbundus it will take me a long time to reach that. The only time i willtry to trade for CC is if i need a freeze or star)

chapus • 25 July 2012 at 12:02 PM

I kind of agree, but disagree at the same time. It is true, like many people say that CC is needed to pay the site.

The only problem is that I think that CC is overpriced. I mean, one CC creature costs freaking 5.00$! Thats not a lot, but imagine the amount of CC pets there are in one year.... thats around 48 CC creatures in one year, and if you bought all of them, it would cost 240$!!! Thats a LOT of money, you could buy MANY things with that amount of money!

I wish CC were a BIT less expensiv, or at least the creatures and freezes would cost less.

And I think that it's not fair. Because the people with a lot of CC have more success in trading and have rarer creatures. But people who barely ever buy CC like me, other than on special occasions, struggle to get a nice cove.

@whispers

dreamer • 25 July 2012 at 12:05 PM

Agreed. I've been on the site for 2 years, and the only time I was allowed to buy CC was when the Mummars were being released. That's what helped me get my little Faithful. 😉

I've been building up my cove for so long, and I've always been able to get CC creatures and old les with what I had. That's how I got my Tine and my Gobbler.

Now, the only thing people seem to want is CC, and, well... Now my trade status is pretty much dead. I never get new creatures to trade, and when I do, people barely even want to give me EC for them! Whenever I ask or a bit of CC in my trades, people will offer les. Then I ask for another creature and they say, "No, that one's uft for CC." Now I can't get ANY new creatures, the majority of my trades end with "No thanks", and it's annoying. :/

zafeyry • 25 July 2012 at 9:27 PM

@whispers
DON'T QUIT. Well if you do, stay on dA 😋 But seriously, I don't even trade any more xD I'm just hiding my Effa because I don't want it to hatch but screw it, I like the hatched stages. I'm proud uvv miiii Efffuuuuurrr. but seriously, don't quit.

whispers • 25 July 2012 at 9:49 PM

@hayz
What truth? OnO I had never heard of it XD

@zafeyry
I am trying not to quit for my buddehs like you ;D


I agree with everyone that posted 😊

stellalunagirl • 25 July 2012 at 11:41 PM

I think I can say I pretty much saw this coming, when the CC creatures were first released there was such a huge buzz, and as much outcry about the unfairness to those who could not purchase CC. This eventually lead to the release of three CC monthlies a month.

In my opinion, I think three is a bit much. But of course, all online games such as these need money to keep running, so we can't really complain.

Plus, you do not HAVE to buy CC, you do not HAVE to have all the new releases and you do not NEED to either. It's a choice, and really, all Ian did was give us the option.

Many people have made rants about this, and I'm sure plenty more have threatened to quit. Personally, I don't think this is an issue worth "quitting" over. I say "quitting" because most usually eventually trickle back in after a month or two.

#otf

vampire666 • 25 July 2012 at 11:55 PM

@harrypotter123698 - Yes, CC pays for the site, but having three monthies (all costing 500 CC) with some months not even having ANY new cave creatures for those who can't get CC, isn't fair to them. This site has a lot of younger users (14 & younger) who only get LEs which aren't worth anything anymore and then they are forced to ask for CC for the LEs, which makes it impossible to trade for anything unless you have CC. I'm 17 and I have to beg my parents to put CC on my account, even though I have to money to pay for it.

@dreamer - Totally agree. Every time I ask about something, the answer is always "I want X-amount CC for them." And it's for something like a one of the brand new cave creatures. (Which, by the way, there are more trades for CC for the new creatures than ever. THEY ARE CAVE CREATURES! D: ) 😋


I still think one or two CC creatures a month and one cave creature would be a better balance.

goku • 26 July 2012 at 12:20 AM

I Think, as other people have said, the initial source of the CC problem started when the "Gift CC" Option became available. But, this isn't the only reason. Most of us are becoming greedy. Wanting more for ourselves and not thinking of the one's who can't get them because of reason's beyond our control.


And, as other users have said, the gifting CC Option has lead to a lot of scams. But, that's why Ian left a notice saying "It's not safe" And I Do agree that More LE Creature should be released. At LEAST 2 a month. Because this could give users who can't get CC a shot at getting some CC Critters they like from a user who happens to be fortunate to get CC.


But, I Understand WHY Ian needs CC. I'm not blaming him :/. The Christmas Scenario is when it ALL Fell downhill. The CC craze Just pulled it down a bit further. Hopefully this is a fad...and it will pass.


Why, right now I'm trying to get a pixgog egg (been wanting one FOREVER) And I Can't get one without trading freakishly high amounts of CC.

Again, I'm not blaming Ian, or Eggcave. I'm blaming us.

harrypotter123698 • 26 July 2012 at 6:24 PM

@vampire666 and everyone else: It's not that LEs aren't with anything, there's just MORE users than in the past, therefore there is more LEs than in the past.