Maximum Creatures - Cove size increase.

mychelle • 10 December 2013 at 2:01 PM

It may already be listed here, or I'm sure someone has listed it before, but I did want to throw some ideas out there as to why I believe this would be a good thing to do.

Most people I have noticed have multiple accounts. One for their personal, and another for their Trading/Selling/"Bank"/Stock of creatures, ect. This is fine for some people, but I for one personally dislike the thought of owning two accounts just to be able to continue to keep the creatures I like, specially with new ones coming out every month!

Currently I have a total of 244 creatures in my cove. Only 43 of those creatures are ones I have any intention of selling/trading. That's already right there, 200 creatures that I have absolutely no intention of selling or trading, specially with the effort put into leveling them, feeding them, getting them to immortal, ect.

Now, I would think the biggest argument to increased cave sizes would be that people don't want other people hoarding creatures just for the sake of selling or trading. That is a acceptable worry in my eyes, which is why I propose that even if the normal cave size is kept at 300 creatures, why not make it where we can purchase our caves to be bigger?

Though in all honesty, if people "hoard" creatures, they are the ones that are going to have to put in the effort and the EC to keep all of them fed, and leveled to immortal. If they do that, then I see it as acceptable for them to own them if they put the effort into it.

Egg Cave could give us the options to purchase bigger cave sizes with either EC or CC. EC would give us a "gold sink" of sorts to keep people active and feeding on the site at a even more regular basis, or if they were looking to offer the bigger size from CC, well, that's just even more profit going directly to the site to keep it running.

If people want to continue to have their two separate accounts, that's fine to me. Though I'd personally prefer keeping my single account, and I'd happily purchase CC or spend my EC for a bigger cave.

That's my two cents!

Feel free to give your opinion if you have anything else to add.

Edit - 12/31/2013
Well...I really really hated to, but went ahead and made myself a storage account simply for my immortals. I really rather keep everything on the same account but...at 260 creatures, I just need to put some of them somewhere. x.x I still really hope something changes on the site as far as making coves bigger though!

yileen • 11 December 2013 at 3:17 AM

I think side accounts are fine, trades are unlimited between accounts.
You can have 3 side's i believe? That adds up to 1200 creatures. If I'm wrong and you can have just 2 sides, that's still 900 creatures.
I don't see a problem in having 2 accounts. If they are not uft, you don't even have to acces that account a lot. You can feed from your main account.

I'm curious about your reasons to want more space. Disliking something isn't a strong argument to 'fight' for changes. 😊
Not trying to attack you, just don't quite understand your reasons.

mychelle • 11 December 2013 at 9:25 AM

@yileen

Oh I know your not trying to attack me, its perfectly fine. =P

My main reasons for wanting more space is simply the hassle it seems to me for actually having to have three separate accounts just to have more space. Having to sign in, sign out, sign in, sign out, depending on whatever I am wanting to do on whichever account. Specially if I am moving said number of creatures to this account, and so forth. To some it may not seem like a big deal, but to me, that just seems annoying having different accounts and my creatures in two different places. Rather then having them all in one place, on one account.

Its more of a "personal preference" than anything else. Some people mind, some people don't. I just think having the option to purchase a bigger cave while also giving the users an option to still have their second or third accounts is just something that could benefit the site.

I definitely do not want people to lose their other accounts, I should have made that more clear in my post. I want people to still keep their other accounts if that's what they would prefer to do, but I would also like it if eggcave gave us another option other than having to have other accounts, if we need more space.

yileen • 11 December 2013 at 9:30 AM

@mychelle Like that it makes more sense yes ❤️
I agree that logging out and back in takes a lot of time to load, or thats just my laptop haha.

I spoiled myself with a 2nd browser.
I use firefox for my main account.
And for my side i use Opera browser.

But i have that with more than just eggcave 😊
My main facebook page on Firefox, and my game facebook account on Opera.
I never have to logout and log back in.

What I do need is more lists on my page, thats kinda the reason i made a side account. So i can have my Tasma and Wynerl in a seperage tab too. 5 isn't that much to sort creatures.
Even worse when you can have more than 300 creatures.

Also! Now i think about it, my side account gets way less views and feeds than my main...

mychelle • 11 December 2013 at 9:38 AM

@yileen

Exactly! Even though using two browers does make things alot easier for people with multiple accounts, I am sure there are some users (me included, I'm a dead-set firefox fan, and absolutely loathe having to use anything else. x.x heh. Again with the personal preference!) that really don't want to have to hop browers. For all I know maybe some users have older machines and loading two browsers at once just lags them down, not sure. I know on my old machine at home if I had too many things up the entire machine would try to lock up.

I'm another person that would also love having more lists, and never thought about having another account just to have another list for collections. (Ive wanted to start collections, but there was the whole space issue thing once more.)

And you bring up another good point with views and feeds. It would be really nice if you could have all your stuff on one account so that you know if anyone is feeding or viewing your account, those creatures are getting fed/viewed as well.

Now that I think about it, also having to trade EC to two accounts via trading your creatures back and forth just in case you use Tim's to feed. (which I do, sadly I cant always be up to date on feeding my non-immortals.) That's just another hassle to have to add to the list. Maybe there is an auction or trade you wish to bid one, but oh, half your EC is here and half your other EC is there and...yeah, that'd get annoying. x.x heh.

yileen • 11 December 2013 at 9:47 AM

@mychelle

I don't use Tim's a lot, my account is 3 years old but i only play for a month and a little, so i'm not that rich to really use it haha.
But I can imagine that is also very annoying when you do, and have a lot of creatures on side accounts.

mychelle • 16 December 2013 at 12:01 PM

Bumping this up in hopes maybe staff would see. =P

Would love to know if this would even be possible for egg cave, or if I should go ahead and work on making other side accounts I guess. x.x lol

Deleted • 16 December 2013 at 12:22 PM

@mychelle
I agree. It is a hassle to log in and out all the time to just switch to sides.
But there's been a suggestion that we should be able to transfer creatures to a side without ever having to bother with the trade center.

Usually I'd just keep all my mortals in one account (usually my main) until they're immortal and then transfer them accordingly but I can't stand the clutter.

Paying ec to make your coves bigger though would be a great idea! It'd help the value of ec increase and I'm sure there's a lot of people who hate having multiple accounts, especially when new creatures are always being released and some of us like having multiple stages of the same creature.

So an option to either increase your cove size and/or have multiple storage accounts would be great!
But it could kinda hurt trading since people won't be forced to downsize anymore...

Maybe limited cove size upgrades with ec purchases then? Like 10 creatures every month? Or something?

mychelle • 16 December 2013 at 12:53 PM

@hybridrainbow

That could work! Or, I know in other games where you have the option to increase your cave/cove/ect size limit, every single time you do increase the size of your cove, the amount goes up in price.

That also would again make EC more valuable, and would hopefully keep down coves from getting "too" big and that having too much of an issue on fluxateing (spelling? bah!) the prices of trading too much.

With the bigger increase to coves, sadly it will change the values of trading and what-not regardless even if its limited or non-limited. But I think its still a worthwhile change for the over-all community.

I am also a multiple-stage creature hoarder. If there is a particular creature I really like, I want all the stages of that creature. But sadly this has really hurt my cove-size.

Deleted • 16 December 2013 at 1:24 PM

@mychelle
oh yeah! you're right! the cost nearly doubles every time you upgrade on those other games, so maybe the costs doubles along with only one upgrade a month for all sides to slow the growth rate down a bit?

maybe...or maybe not?
the amount of time it takes to feed large coves is ridiculous, and you earn roughly 100 ec per creature fed.

some users might have to sacrifice and sell a couple creatures occasionally to afford increasing their cove size. not to mention, bigger coves = more creatures. so they'll need to trade for even more ec in order to keep their mortals alive and in Tim's.

yeah, it really does. :/

lunacharm1037 • 16 December 2013 at 4:40 PM

@mychelle

I use firefox and chrome & keep both running at the same time then thrers no signing in & out repeatedly. Its just a click away 😊

As for bigger coves I don't really like the idea I have 1 side account where I keep immortals and eggs that I don't want to hatch.

mightyeglantine • 16 December 2013 at 5:42 PM

@mychelle Maybe we could have like account linking, Like link you side to your main so you dont have to log out and in, just click a button under your Account tab (Next to your profile button.) so you can just switch inbetween a lot faster.

~ The Linking process should be extremely secure, maybe you would have to put in the email address for the account, then the account owner may get an email which would allow them to confirm the linking similar to the account activation email.

mychelle • 17 December 2013 at 9:26 AM

@lunacharm1037

That does work, though for anyone else on slower machines, or even on mobile, that sadly wouldn't work. =/

But yeah, more of a preference thing really. Ive been thinking of moving my immortals over to another cove but...I just like having everything in one place!

@mightyeglantine

Account linking could work for those who really want to keep their side accounts and make it easier for those to be used. But I think maybe the coding involved in getting something like that to work would be a little more harsh compared to being able to up-size a single cove? I'm not sure since I am not a coder myself, but it does seem like it would be a little more difficult to get something like that up and running.

purrclan • 7 January 2014 at 1:01 PM

@mychelle
Personally, I'm fine with what we have now. Did you know we used to only have 100 creatures?

mychelle • 8 January 2014 at 9:12 AM

@purrclan

I had no idea of that! That must have been difficult. I mainly just see it as an issue that a lot of people continue playing because of new creatures every month. (I know its one of my main factors of continuing to play every month.) And eventually over so long you just run out of room!

karamel • 8 January 2014 at 12:34 PM

@purrclan But that was when there were less creatures. D: Now we're getting close to 300 different species.

@mychelle I don't deem it necessary at the moment, but in the future, I'd definitely like a bigger cove size. Yes, okay, 1200 is more than enough, but the cove sizes should increase according to the number of creatures, IMO.

mychelle • 8 January 2014 at 3:59 PM

@karamel

I could be happy with that as long as the cave size increased with the amount of creatures. Though we do have to consider that alot of people like to collect the different "stages" of eggs as well. That also adds to the number. But regardless, even if they made it increase with the amount of creatures I'd be happy. Mainly if they decided to give us a solid increase right about now. =P Maybe once a year increase?

disneyland • 8 January 2014 at 4:26 PM

@mychelle

Maybe they could do something like dedicated users get a 10 creature increase per year, so in other words, the longer you've been playing the more creature slots you will have for your cove~ Just a thought though ^^

mychelle • 9 January 2014 at 9:18 AM

@faerie_eclair_mallow

That could work too! I would hope it would be more than just 10+ a year but, anything would be nice at this point!

meta_knight_lover • 9 January 2014 at 6:55 PM

@mychelle

Yay so long as I don't end up having to feed 10 million creatures. lol Like you said the user is responsible for keeping their coves alive and happy. I happen to not have many creatures, but I can sympathize with having to log in and out. It can be a pain. Plus, you want to show off your cove a little! Putting it on the side just isolates the creatures from the world. I like the expansion idea! That way those who want mini coves don't have to participate and those who want to go all out can buy the expansions as they please.

mychelle • 10 January 2014 at 9:13 AM

@meta_knight_lover

Thank you muches for your support! I am glad there are users out there that like the idea. =)

wolphire • 23 January 2014 at 2:16 AM

@mychelle

I think your idea is sound and I'd like to see it implemented, though I think there should be a cove size cap. In other words, you can increase the size of your cove, but only up to a certain point.

Barring that, maybe as you increase the cove size, the cost to increase it rises as well. It's a common feature in lots of downloadable games.

Personally, I use one browser to transfer between accounts. It's only annoying once I got my second storage account, because I can't use this trick:

If you open a browser, you can log in to your main account. From there, you can open a private tab or window.

In this private tab or window, log into your side account. This simultaneous logging in works because the browser keeps private and non-private browsing separate.

Hope this helps, 😊

mychelle • 23 January 2014 at 9:42 AM

@wolphire

I never even thought of using a private tab...that's an awesome little trick to remember! I finally broke down and made a second account, though I haven't brought myself to actually move anything over there yet. I'm still crossing my fingers in hopes maybe they'll implement something for a cove-size increase. =P

I'd be more then happy to pay an even increasing amount to increase the cove size. Specially if it was with EC, it would give people more of a reason to work towards getting or trading it around just to help increase the sizes of their coves. So to me, that'd be perfectly fine.

Thanks for commenting!

wolphire • 23 January 2014 at 5:53 PM

@mychelle

I hope they do for your sake, but it might take a while; programming new features takes time and lots and lots of testing.

Good luck!

metaphor • 23 January 2014 at 10:51 PM

I prefer to have all my permanent pets on all one account. Picky of me, probably, but I remember to put them in Tim's. So yeah, I'm in favor of it.

mychelle • 24 January 2014 at 9:11 AM

@metaphor

Awesome, thank you. =)

elluwah • 24 January 2014 at 10:28 AM

The way I see it is that once the number of creatures in the archive reach over 300, the cove size limit should increase. I'm mainly saying this because myself and a few other people benefit from this, but that's the way it seems to have worked so far. But it just seems right, doesn't it? One cove space per creature released. At least, I think so. 😋

People don't HAVE to have big coves, but those that do enjoy to have their 'main' creatures on display in their 'main' cove. Side accounts are good for storage, but that's pretty much it. And to have a lovely cove split between two accounts is such a hassle. ☹️

Totally love the idea of buying cove space with EC, I'm all for that!

Yeah. Basically, I want a cove size increase!

gatheringrosesinsnow • 25 January 2014 at 1:11 PM

@mychelle, I'm all for increased cove size as well as side-accounts just don't sit well with me, but 300 is the upper limit of a cove size that I feel comfortable with because lets face it big coves actually take a lot more computer resources to load and this isn't fun for users who have tiny screens, limited downloads/data usage plans and/or slower connections and computers in general.

And many users are put off from feeding a wall of creatures so most of them will feed the first few, ignoring the ones you actually /want/ fed 😋 , or even just not bother and waltz off to feed more smaller click friendly coves...

If there was a way to retain more creatures on the same user-account but to have the ability to switch through to another area of your cove that could be awesome. Think of it, a little 'inlet' just for your precious x-y-z-collections and another just your do-not-click- creatures. Maybe you can then purchase these for EC for your collections and then only have to push an internal button/link to reach them, rather than jump to an entirely different username

It probably would need a rethink of Tims and the your creatures (cove) links too, unless you could tab between each cove section with the press of a button as well (perhaps like the current cove-list setup).

In the meantime I have to go shed a few more creatures so I can go stalk the cave for my current favourite pretties.

mychelle • 27 January 2014 at 9:37 AM

@gatheringrosesinsnow

Sorry for the late reply! But you do have a good point as far as the load-size for computers. It brings another thing to the table entirely when it comes to being able to show exactly what you'd want to show. I wouldn't mind my immortals being on a separate page entirely. That actually would be kinda nice.

Another cove area would be a GREAT idea for this! Maybe have some sort of "Creature Corral" page. Giving users the option to corral their immortals. It would make it where the main pages would be easier for other people to load, but for those users actually wanting to feed a "large cove" they could simply go into someones corral and feed and click there if need be. I'd support this idea entirely.