Creature price estimation

netherling • 25 June 2015 at 2:32 PM

I think it'd be a good idea to have a creature price estimation for every creature. Like, it would show the amount of EC or CC a creature is worth to avoid creatures from being unreasonably priced. Like, how if someone was looking for the price of a Tasma, it would say it would be around 1 EC since its the most common, and a Rivet would be its normal price of the millions of EC its going to be worth when it comes out in the SAR Center. The rarity and the year the creature was released would aid in determining the price estimation. I've noticed some creatures aren't as rare as they used to be and people are still asking for high prices for them while the more rare creatures are going for less. So I think this could help a lot in some ways

iceiceice • 25 June 2015 at 2:47 PM

@ami_utsukushii
I think some people made "creature value guide" (though some are admittedly outdated. It would be nice, but I think for now this should just be a "user made thing."

(Also, to the people selling things WAY OVERPRICED for something that is definitely cheap to newbies....I hope you are cursed with yeeps ☹️ )

netherling • 25 June 2015 at 2:51 PM

@iceiceice I heard that someone did but yeah, with all these new creatures it is really outdated. And i just feel like if the admins and Ian put prices to it, no one would feel they paid an unfair amount for a creature that's not as rare as it used to be.

jazzyleia • 25 June 2015 at 2:52 PM

@ami_utsukushii @iceiceice

The only problem I see with this is that creature values are really based on the user selling them. Two people selling the same creature might ask for different values (EX: I have seen very rare creatures like tines being sold at two very different prices). So having a guide of estimation prices would probably cause some users to feel either cheated because people will rely on those values or feel bad about how much they paid when they got the creature.

Overall I really do like the concept, but I'm just not sure how much this would hurt and or benefit the community.

Edit: But of course this is just my opinion. I'm not sure how other mods feel about this.

netherling • 25 June 2015 at 2:57 PM

@jazzyleia Yeah I see what you mean, how putting a price to them wouldn't help people who already paid either more or less than the new set worth. I was just looking at the rarity index and I saw how some creatures I wanted are less rare than some of the ones I have and was wondering if they were really worth the super high prices people are selling them for. Like how Nyms are worth $85-$92 while some creatures I've had are more rare but go for either several thousand to several tens of thousands of ec.

iceiceice • 25 June 2015 at 2:59 PM

@ami_utsukushii
I understand where you're coming from, but unfortunately I don't think it is something Ian or admins should be doing. It all depends on the people selling them or buying them. After all, they aren't the one who is selling them.

how I see it:
Ian and whoever is behind EggCave just gives us the materials.
Artist/writers/whatever provides us with the creatures, items, so on gives it to the community.
The community are responsible for selling/buying the creature. They are the ones who set the values.


Also think that it's restricting

netherling • 25 June 2015 at 3:07 PM

@iceiceice
I see that, and yeah that's all true. But i wasnt saying like...everyone would have to go by the price, they would just see what they would actually be worth. Users can still sell them at their own prices regardless, it'd just be nice to see if i was trying to , for example, see what an ideal price would be if i wanted to sell a creature and wanted something to go by. Because i know people will charge a good amount for a creature they want to sell but will add more because they have had it for a while. Something like that

iceiceice • 25 June 2015 at 3:35 PM

@ami_utsukushii
Ah, okay, got it.

I still agree it would be lovely (would actually be really helpful to me too, since I don't keep up with the values x_x).

If that's the case, (I still don't think Ian or the admin ~themselves~ should be 'putting a guesstamation price') but we could have a thing that does what you say, based on the 'average price' people traded them for or whatever.

I don't even know anymore, it's a debatable topic. I'm somewhat on the fence on it.

Tangenting off what @jazzyleia said, I know that when I try to sell a creature and I use a creature value guide to check...

I go through this thought process:

1) Well, I want to be fair and give a price that the community agrees on, based on the data this person put together.

2a) Oh, looks like the my values and his/her values are the same, I'll sell it for ____ cc/ec

2b) Wait, our values are different. I'm pretty sure -I- would sell them for PRICE A instead of PRICE B.

3b) But then again, I guess if I sell it for PRICE A it wouldn't be fair because people are selling them for PRICE B

4b) BUT THEN I STRONGLY FEEL IT SHOULD BE PRICE A SINCE THAT'S HOW I WOULD SELL THEM

5b) I WOULD BE CHEATING THE BUYERS THEN. I can't do that D:

6c) protocols conflict. system shuts down.

It's probably a trivial problem and a personal problem, but it's what I go through when I'm given a value. Definitely can either make a buyer or seller feel cheated, guilty, or on the flip side, relieved and certain.

I kind of see this thing go either way. I'm not sure what to feel anymore x_x

Side Note: Nyms are overpriced x_x

netherling • 25 June 2015 at 4:27 PM

@iceiceice
They really are >.< I'm not spending near $100 for a Nym though its the creature I want more than any other. And the whole thing with prices is just blegh Dx if a creature is most wanted people try to get a lot of money off of them. Technically I really think a Nym should be worth...4000 CC or so. Because like....500 for when it first was in the cash shop + 500 per year that's gone by. But then plus the rarity and such it would be around 5000 CC. Which is still a lot but still a whole heck of a lot cheaper than 8500-9500 CC

metaphor • 26 June 2015 at 9:20 AM

Well, demand also comes into play, so I think it'd be hard to regulate even if there were an exact guide. The truth of the matter is that a first stage frozen Nym is in greater demand than, say, a fully grown Slysal, even though the Slysal is technically rarer. When there are fewer of a creature around but many people wanting it, the price goes up.

And FYI, I kinda do think $100 is ridiculous for a Nym(and sometimes they go for even more than that) but anyway.

moopana • 26 June 2015 at 3:51 PM

I think a price estimation that was automated based on creature auction averages would be kind of neat, since auctions often show the maximum people are willing to pay, and auctions only take EC into account. Granted, not all prices would be accurate, but there could always be a little disclaimer that said:

*All prices are based on creature auction averages. Actual pricing may vary. Please keep in mind that every user is entitled to charge whatever they like for their own creatures.

Or something along those lines.

polaroid • 27 June 2015 at 8:42 AM

Yup, we need a price guide.



What we need even more is deflation of demand and inflation of supply. Even though it may kill the economy, it's needed.

Onnies go for about, say, 15k pure CC.
15k = Roughly $130
$130 can buy you an iPhone 5S (starting from $99) and a couple of meals.

Um, yeah guys, let's put this into perspective here 😋

netherling • 21 July 2015 at 5:30 PM

@metaphor
That's true also, and I really think that eventually the subject of prices should be addressed. Its getting out of hand.

@moopana
That's would be cool. But then also there's the matter of the creatures people aren't auctioning off.

@Polaroid
The prices of these creatures is getting ridiculous. And there's so many things that come into play here, new users vs. Old users, the fairness, the money spent... Honestly there's a retired creature that everyone wants, but theres a 0% chance of getting a dreamie without spending well over $50. There's just...so much wrong with this, I wish they'd address it ☹️ selfishness and so many other things among some users is really just...taking over.