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metaphor • 2 February 2014 at 11:32 AM

So I've been thinking--and I know I'm probably going to get tons of crap for this but whatever--why is it that people are okay with the idea of "seizing" super rare creatures rather than just letting them die, but re-releasing retired creatures in small and limited batches will result in World War III? People talk about such an idea giving new people the chance to get rare creatures without selling their souls, but--and I know this may come as a huge shock to everyone-- but so would controlled re-releases! And that doesn't even require anyone to take anyone else's creatures! Amazing!


But wait nope re-releases are the world of the devil himself. Logic sometimes, Eggcave. Logic....

And yeah, I know that one can argue that re-releases are bringing more of the creature into circulation whereas seizing is just saving old ones, but still. The reason such creatures are hard to come by is because they are old and the reason they are so rare is because the loyal active users have done their part to preserve theirs.

Also, I hope it is clear that I am not saying this out of laziness. I do actually spend money on this site and have a cove that I love. I'm not pro-re-release because there are soooo many creatures I want that I can't have; I support it because I feel that, if EC wishes to expand and add more and more creatures, it would benefit the site in the long wrong. Contrary to what many would have liked to believe, the re-release of Christmas creatures (foo, florn, roo, etc.) wasn't such a huge calamity. As the site continues to grow, those creatures are still highly sought after by old and new users alike and so they carry quite a bit of value. Are they still worth, what, 7k in cc and your soul? No, probably not, but are they really supposed to be? Most retired ccs aren't worth that much. There's keeping creatures rare and then being obsessed with rarity and prestige just because you wanna feel special.

karamel • 2 February 2014 at 11:56 AM

@metaphor Honestly, I'm against both seizing and re-releases. By the words of my German teacher (translated to English): "That's not my problem". If you can't trade for it or if you weren't there to get the creature, then that's your problem. It's still fair.

It's not my intention to say "y'all are lazy and better work real hard to get whatever stuff you want; y'all weren't here at the christmas re-release and it was real chaos out thar". I just feel like rare and retired creatures should be just that: rare and retired.

That's all I'm saying. x3

metaphor • 2 February 2014 at 12:06 PM

@karamel

Just edited my post before you posted. 😋

I don't have a problem with people being against it. I suppose I don't care either way because there's really no creature I'm dying to have and I'm lucky in that I am able to buy CC.

My problem lies with a community that overall would rather be able to take someone else's creatures that they could resurrect rather than allow a few more creatures to go into circulation so that nobody loses their creatures. What this reveals to me is that people really aren't all that concerned with fairness. They just want to get what they need, as simply as they can and maintain all the prestige that comes with it.

It would really suck if this site became like Neo with those UCs that cause so much drama that it is not even fun to work for a uc anymore. EC isn't quite there yet, not by a long shot, but it still concerns me how some people's minds work here.

karamel • 2 February 2014 at 12:16 PM

@metaphor Ooh, okay. x3 Edited my post accordingly.

Re-releasing out of the way, I completely agree with your third paragraph (or second? Depends on what you classify as a paragraph, I guess.) about your problem with the community. I feel like the word 'corrupt' is too strong to use for this, but we're edging towards that word. :x

nenielsen • 2 February 2014 at 5:44 PM

@barbyka

1. Yes... that's the problem. The solution is to stop creating more of these impossibly rare creatures today.

Yeah... I'm not about to spend $5 per creature... they're really just pixels to me, and if I want them that bad, then I can work for them. But, I think that we need to bridge the gap between the people who do buy CC, and the people who don't. If everyone can manage to get the creatures they want with more ease in the future than today, there will be way more players, and which means more ideas brought to egg cave, but also more money for the owners of this site.

I think the biggest problem with egg cave is staying active to keep your creatures alive. People have lives outside of here (some of us with REAL pets) and we can't all keep our creatures alive. But its so wasteful. If everyone let their rare mortals die, then that species would be even more rare, and then the only people with a creature of that species would be the older users. Seizing would negate this effect, by so much.

Yup, I've had trouble with the newer creatures. About 65% of egg cave's creatures are dogs, cats, horses, and rabbits. Literally (I counted) 26 out of the 210 creatures here are just dogs. They aren't even different breeds. :|

Thank you for posting. 😊

@skittlejg okay, you don't have to post what I said... I know what comes out of my own mouth. 😋

Alright, I skimmed through most of what you said, and for the most part you disagree with me. If you have any constructive things to say, please say them in less than 500 words... please. 😊 Anything like more ideas to solve these problems I've brought up would be helpful.

@metaphor I haven't heard of re-releasing, but I think it sounds great. Here I come gobblers! xD

I have to point this out: now your just ranting. I appreciate you keeping my topic active, but I'm going to have to ask you, if you don't have anything else constructive to say (more ideas to combat the problems I've listed) to please leave. I get the idea that you don't like what I'm debating, repeating yourself isn't needed. Oops, sorry, that sounds rude... gah, me and my big mouth...

@karamel just wondering... both you and metaphor dislike seizing. I know metaphor buys CC, but do you? Its much, much much harder to get CSP creatures without spending money. You both say you are fine with how it is, but I feel like it might be because you can (and do) buy CC.

@metaphor (second post) hmm, okay...

Honestly, I completely forgot about the resurection stone when I came up with seizing. If seizing was added to egg cave, the resurection stone would have to only work on a creature that died recently, I'm thinking.

You make it sound like stealing, but is it really? Before resurection, when your creature died, it was deleted, permanently. But now people can resurect creatures... but think about it. If someone became inactive, their creatures all die, and they never come on again/don't feel like paying for resurection, where do those creatures go? No where. Maybe if instead of automatically, there could be an option to send your dead creature(s) to the AC if you don't/can't resurect it. Anyway, I actually like the idea of re-releasing better.

Hey, I'm pretty concerned with fairness. Here, and in real life. Just look at all my other topics. I wouldn't have made a single one if I wasn't.

But, I don't understand why you and @karamel are so (surprised?) by people. The average person is greedy, and will get what they want when they can. Otherwise, we wouldn't even exist today. I mean, before modern technology, when us humans were hunter/gatherers, it was eat or be eaten. Greediness kept us alive, and there's no denying it.

But, seriously, wouldn't it be so much easier if people did the right things for the right reasons? It's harder in small community, though....whatever, I'm just ranting now. Sorry, if I offended either of you. -______-" I find myself doing that much too often.

cirrus • 2 February 2014 at 6:24 PM

@nenielsen Well, the reason I put what you said was because a lot of times I didn't say what you said and it was easier for me (and for other people) to have it in the same post than to have to go back and forth between your post and my post to understand what I'm saying.

If you read the last paragraph, that was basically a summary.

"While you had some good ideas, my main problem was that you seemed to want to get rid of rarity and value in creatures. I realize that you want your cove to look nice, but you can't wipe-out rarity because you don't have a creature that you want. Sorry if I seem mean, I'm not trying to be. These are my real opinions, and I really don't want to be rude. I'm just brutally honest. 😃"

Sorry, but I expected an argument like yours to come from a newbie who is angry because they can't build up their cove fast enough. To be honest, it's kind of ridiculous. I was at that point to once. You're a pretty old player, so I'd think you realized that nobody can have every creature they want. But basically, I think that your "problems" are just complaints and it's not my fault that you can't spend money, but I can. I like Eggcave and I'mma spend money on it.

I read all of your last post and...

It's people who don't spend money on Eggcave that are making creatures rare. If more people spent money on it than all the rare CC creatures wouldn't be as rare. And if you choose not to spend money, than don't complain about it.

Did you really just say that re-releasing sound like a good idea!?!?! Some people trade away basically their whole cove to get a creature, do you know how mad that would make them if they traded so many creatures to get a creature and it was all of a sudden re-released. If you were here during the Christmas re-release fiasco you would know that's a horrible idea.

Sorry if I'm not being constructive, but your problems aren't problems at all.

nenielsen • 2 February 2014 at 10:57 PM

@skittlejg oh, okay. 😊 I usually open up two windows for that, it helps.

Oh, oops. It's so me to miss that, sorry. xD I think the problem that most people don't understand when I say things like this, is that these are merely IDEAS to fix one of the 7 problems I've found here. I'm really just throwing them around, regardless if they create more problems. But it is a matter of out-waying the risks.

Yes, rarity would be seriously messed with if any of my ideas came into place. I honestly don't see that as a bad thing, though. I feel like there will always be rare creatures (CSPs/things like gobblers/doovoos). And, I'm not basing my ideas on any personal needs, I mean, I don't even agree with all of them. Some of these are ideas from other people.

Don't worry, you don't sound mean. I appreciate you coming straight out with your own opinion, also. 😊

Haha, I guess I kinda do sound like a newbie... but if you look at my cove, and my sides (@thesecretgarden/@chickensandsheep) you'll see that I've been on here a VERY long time, and have my fair share of creatures. I can see why you feel like these are just complaints. I find that there's two kinds of people who post on this topic: Ones who agree with me, mostly, and ones that do not at all. I find the ones that don't almost always buy cave cash.

This is because its impossible for you CC buyers to know what its like... some of us just won't buy it (me), but some people can't buy CC. I know, this is what it always comes down to: the haves and the have nots. Your right it is ridiculous. But I always end up finding myself fighting for things like this. I want equality, I guess.

Anyway you have it, people hate change. When we switched site backgrounds a few years ago, there was a huge uproar. But if you go around asking people about it, I think most people agree now it was for the best. Change makes people feel like the rug was pulled out from beneath their feet, so it's only typical people would be upset. For better or for worst.

I understand where your coming from, but your argument is very one-sided. I hope you understand that, because you really couldn't know how the people who can't afford CC feel. But I'm one-sided too, though, because I can't understand how the people who actually buy CC feel. 😋

These are problems, but they're complaints too. Your probably going to argue against what I'm saying, but I think I should cut this short by saying, if you don't have anything constructive (ideas to fix the 7 problems/another problem you'd like to share) then I don't want to waste your time, because I won't give up debating these things. Believe me, I've tried... xD lol

Anyway, thank you so much for posting! Even if you don't agree with me at all, really, I appreciate you keeping my topic active! 😉

cirrus • 2 February 2014 at 11:56 PM

@nenielsen Okay, well I just want to say, I really do see your point, and maybe I am one-sided, but I still think that everything find the way it is. 😊 😉

nenielsen • 3 February 2014 at 12:32 AM

@skittlejg alright, its nice to see someone sees my vies. 😊 I know, with all of this, Egg Cave is still a pretty fun site. I mean, I joined like 5 years ago and still play here! 😋

karamel • 3 February 2014 at 11:00 AM

@nenielsen I haven't /ever/ bought CC (although I'm actually thinking about it, since the USD -> GBP conversion is in my favour), but CC gifting (and the removal of it, since my CC was rounded up) has given me 1,700 CC. I haven't actually spent any of it apart from a contest prize (a freeze) just recently.

That's not to say I'm in favour of CC gifting, though; Ian has specifically said: "CaveCash wasn't created to be an open currency. It is, by nature, a closed currency. It always has been."
And I stand by this. I'm pretty much against CC gifting/trading, but I'd rather not talk much about that in this discussion, because I'll repeat the points I've already made in this topic (which is also the topic I got Ian's quote from). If you're interested, I still firmly stand by my points about CC trading/gifting (and a bit on re-releases) on the last couple of pages.

I'm not going to say that I've worked extremely, extremely hard for my cove and that I had to fight tooth and nail to get all my creatures, but I am going to say that it's generally not impossible to get all the creatures you want. 😉 And sometimes, yes, it does seem impossible. And sometimes it might even be that way, which is totally acceptable and fine! That means that the label 'rare' still fits and is still... working? xD I can't articulate my thoughts on that. But we should be able to accept that some creatures are rarer than others. We should be able to accept that we cannot have /everything/ we want. I'd like that to be emphasised.

I know I'm just repeating myself. D: But I'd really like to highlight my points about re-releasing and CC gifting/trading.

nenielsen • 3 February 2014 at 1:34 PM

@karamel
Wow, thats a lot of CC! You must have really generous friends...

Your kinda contradicting yourself here. If you were never in favor of CC gifting, then you wouldn't have all that CC stored away. Just saying. 😋

Well, the only real way to get CSP creatures and other rares without purchasing CC is by having generous friends/users give them to you, or help you to get there. To me, you seem a little one-sided, looking all that CC you got from people. Back then more people did give away freebies, but right now EC is being flooded by newbies, which is why we're seeing less freebies. What I'm trying to say is that you (and I) were lucky to have started then and not know, because you wouldn't have as much of a head start.

This is just my view, though, more or less. No one can really not be one-sided over this, however... whatever, I think I'm starting to repeat myself too now. 😉

karamel • 7 February 2014 at 3:14 PM

(Sorry, I didn't receive your ping. D: )

@nenielsen I actually never used the CC gifting feature myself; I only /received/ CC via that method, which was out of my control. (I can't force someone not to gift me CC--sure, I can ask them not to, but that doesn't stop them completely.) Because I wasn't in favour of gifting (or trading) CC, I never actually sent CC to anyone. And thus I didn't send CC back to whoever gave me CC. 😉

(I believe I only got ~1,500 CC and it got rounded up to 1,700 CC when CC gifting was removed, so not all of that CC was actually from my friends. 😋)

"Well, the only real way to get CSP creatures and other rares without purchasing CC is by having generous friends/users give them to you ..."
That's where I think you're wrong. Saying that's the /only real way/ is completely wrong. You could get lucky at the MA (which some newbies do!) or somehow trade with EC. You could find a user that views a Tasma worth a rare (unlikely, but not impossible!) or work your way up with paperclips. What I'm trying to say is that /it is not impossible/. (I feel like saying that in all-caps. x3)

Wait, so I'm "one-sided" for having generous friends? I'm "one-sided" for just having CC? That seems a little judgemental to me; the amount of CC I have /does not/ reflect on what I stand for; that can (and does!) apply to /any/ user here. Like I said in my first paragraph, I didn't actually use my CC to trade for anything. Nothing in my cove was bought or traded for using CC. That said, my cove isn't as impressive as some others! My point is, it's not impossible to achieve what you want without CC.

Yes, we're lucky to have started before a lot of newbies. But that's also similar to real life--you generally can't earn a decent wage until you're older. You generally can't have lots of money in your bank account until you're older. (Those are just a couple of examples; I'm sure there are more out there.) Newbies can (sort of) get a 'headstart' if they buy CC (besides the point of "you can't get anything if you don't have CC") or get lucky at the MA.

crunchyoreo25 • 7 February 2014 at 3:41 PM

@nenielsen

I agree with @karamel. I haven't spent any money on Egg Cave, and I got my creatures (as well some CC) simply by trading. And honestly, if I can say so myself, I think my creatures are pretty good.
True, I think that CC does have a lot of influence nowadays, but that doesn't mean it's impossible to get creatures that you like without having to spend money.

The problem with re-releasing and creature raffles is that it greatly lessens the value of creatures. Remember when the 2009 Christmas/Holiday creatures (Treelar, Swornt, Foo, etc.) were re-released? There was practically a riot then, wasn't there?

nenielsen • 8 February 2014 at 11:35 PM

@karamel no, its okay. 😋

Oh I get it. xD

By saying that, I mostly meant it's the most common way. I got all my rares that way, never really heard of people getting CSPs any other way. Sure, someone could spend HOURS feeding, and maybe have enough for one, but thats near impossible. For only 1 million (most RECENT csps cost at least 5 million) it takes 10 THOUSAND clicks. I don't know about you, but I couldn't even make that in a month... O_O lol, but I'm a pretty busy person and don't have much time for EC anymore... 😋

Well, when I say your one-sided, I mean that you can't understand egg cave "life" without using CC to get creatures you like (even if you don't by CSPs to trade for other creatures, you still buy them). Its really not a bad thing. We're all one-sided, towards one thing or another. I'm just saying its harder (near impossible) for you to know what its like to get those creatures you buy with CC, without spending real money. In my opinion, it's almost like trying to describe color to a blind person. It's difficult to understand your perspective on users being able to get CSPs (without getting them for free from nice people) when you don't actually do that yourself. I might be a little off-base here though, I'm wondering if you do get some CSPs without the use of CC? If so, I'm sorry to be so judgey. -________-"

You prove a point. 😊

@crunchyoreo25 oh okay. 😋 But just wondering - have you gotten those rare LEs/CSPs through trading recently? Because I feel like its so much harder to trade for them now. Their rarities have seriously sky-rocketed. :/

I understand that completely, I just feel like its not a bad thing (at all actually). There are so many rare, super-hard-to-get creatures that I know I'll never have, if rarities keep going up and up over time.

Honestly, I think there's a riot whenever there's change. I don't think I was here when the 2009 creatures were re-released, but I do remember when they changed the site background. I remember hating it, but now I think it was totally for the best. And I feel like many users would agree with me. 😊

Thanks for posting, both of you. 😉

Deleted • 9 February 2014 at 2:50 AM

@frosted

I would absolutely HATE if people got more asteroid tries.

@nenielsen

I wouldn't want all trading and running here and there going to nothing... :\

karamel • 9 February 2014 at 4:04 AM

@nenielsen Eh, I think it depends on your internet speed, too; I can feed a cove of 300 in probably 5-10 minutes (if I don't take 'breaks' to 'do homework'. xD). That gives you 30k EC, and if you feed that cove of 300 every day for a month, you could get around 900k. Plus, there's the Site Trivia, and then there's the daily activity rewards. 😉

That's besides the point, though. I still don't believe you when you say "it's the most common way"--people don't gift /that/ commonly, and I think more trading goes on. Perhaps for discounts, but that's it, really.

Oh, I didn't mean it was /bad/ that I was one-sided; I was just a little taken aback because you thought I was one-sided /just/ because I have CC. :x
"I might be a little off-base here though, I'm wondering if you do get some CSPs without the use of CC?": I did say further down in my previous post that "... I didn't actually use my CC to trade for anything. Nothing in my cove was bought or traded for using CC." 😋

nenielsen • 9 February 2014 at 1:17 PM

@outlander uh... I don't understand what you just said... O_o

@karamel Yeah, but I actually have a fast computer. I think I'm just lazier than you! xD But I make that much in 5-10 minutes too. I don't do the site trivia... it really doesn't have a high EC yield so I gave up on it. :\ Come on, 1k? Cheap.

I think the problem with it is there are really not very many ways to get CC without buying it... and your right, its hard to convince people to give it to you for free.... but when I call it the most common way, it tells you how often people who don't buy it get CC.

Oh, oops. xD Except for the creatures you bought with CC from the cash shop park, right? If you didn't buy CC, you would have to spend a lot more time getting those.

Lol, I don't think these arguments are going anywhere... usually at this point when I'm arguing with someone, they get angry and/or give up. xD

karamel • 9 February 2014 at 2:38 PM

@nenielsen I think what @outlander meant by "I wouldn't want all trading and running here and there going to nothing... :\" is that they wouldn't want their efforts in trading to go to waste, which is what would happen if people were able to trade Asteroid tries.

Fast computer =/= fast internet speed, and vice versa. 😋
It could help in the long term--1k every day for a month = 30k. And I've got the 3k EC I get from the daily activity rewards--30k + (3k*30 days) = 30k + 90k = 120k. Which, if you add that on to the EC you make from feeding a cove of 300 creatures every day for a month, gives you over 1 million EC. xP

"I think the problem with it is there are really not very many ways to get CC without buying it ..."
If you mean hard CC, then yes, buying CC /is the only way you can get CC/, because CC Gifting was removed. As Ian said in this topic, CC is (or is /supposed/ to be) a closed currency.

I haven't bought any creatures from the CSP; I only just recently bought a Purita as a trade for someone, but otherwise, I haven't bought any creatures for myself from the CSP. My point is that it's not entirely impossible. 😉

I just feel like these arguments aren't going anywhere because I'm repeating myself. xP

Deleted • 9 February 2014 at 8:01 PM

@nenielsen
Exactly what karamel told...

More asteroid tries, means all my hard work gone to waste. I would most probably disagree with that 😋
I voted for point 2 and 7 because I only guess in my opinions, that is the only points with some sense in it.

nenielsen • 9 February 2014 at 9:22 PM

@karamel oh, okay. 😋

Huh, I guess you prove a point there about the site trivia... xD but I still wish it would give more, especially looking at the SAR prices. Px

Well then what to you even do with CC??? If I had cave cash i would go crazy and spend it on whatever awesome CSP that came out! 😋

Yeah, me too. 😉


@outlander Not all of it, you would still have your creatures... but you prove a point in that. I'd like to say, though, that trading in asteroid/cave tries is only one of my/others' many ideas for egg cave. I'm really just throwing it around, I don't even like it much myself. 😋

Let me guess, you buy cave cash too? c:

metaphor • 10 February 2014 at 1:23 AM

@skittlejg

I'll confess that I was one who said that I don't think re-releasing is as terrible as people have made it out to be. That said, I can see why it probably wouldn't be a good idea and I understand that it will never happen again.

ladynymeria • 10 February 2014 at 10:29 AM

I only skimmed this page so I apologize if I'm repeating what others have said but:

I can understand both sides of the argument for re-releasing creatures. The rarest creature on eggcave is the Doovoo, it has a rarity of 2 right now and it will only get more rare as more users join the site. The amount of Doovoos will remain constant as the amount of users go up. For the people with Doovoos, that can be a good thing because they'll be able to demand 2389 creatures to trade it. For the newbies who want one however, they'll feel discouraged because it will be impossible for them to ever get one. That may end up driving people away from Eggcave.

On the other hand; I am thrilled that Skrutes are so valuable because having one to trade means that I may be able to get a Brohu one day. If the site was suddenly flooded with Skrutes, their value would go down and Brohus will yet again be out of my reach.

Idk, re-releases are complicated. I wouldn't care about the value/rarity of Skrutes going down if Brohus were also re-released. If every old creature eventually came back to the cave, I don't think value and rarity would be such a huge deal to people anymore (though it wouldn't be meaningless). I hope I was able to make some sense. My thoughts are kinda jumbled.

In reference to EC being 'useless', I disagree. With the new creature auctions, EC is now more useful than ever. "Well, when a person gets 100k ec from selling their creature, what can they do with it?" They can use it to buy another creature. And the user they buy that creature from can use that money to buy another creature, and so on and so forth. Or you can use it to buy a bunch of travels and get some of the creatures from the SARC and put all of your non-immortals in Tim's food shop... I find myself wanting to make more money now-a-days. (since some people demand millions of dollars for a single creature that i sometimes can't resist)

And in reference to the topic title: I dont think you understand what an economic depression is.

karamel • 10 February 2014 at 11:25 AM

@nenielsen I save my CC for a rainy day. 😋 As I'm sure you've observed, CC is pretty valuable, and I don't want to waste it on lots of things I can simply trade for. I'm waiting for a super outstanding creature to come along. xD

@ladynymeria "And in reference to the topic title: I dont think you understand what an economic depression is."
I'm fairly sure nenielsen intended to exaggerate it and that the use of the word 'depression' was a general term for the negativity. 😊

sammei • 10 February 2014 at 3:38 PM

[I just wish there were more stories. Lots of potential in the creature descriptions of what kind of world Ark is in but not much backstory outside of that.

Not eggconomy related perhaps but it'd be interesting.]

Deleted • 10 February 2014 at 3:42 PM

@nenielsen Lets see. You make a topic, open for discussion. Yet from what Ive seen so far is that you "must and should" let people see /your/ way of things, which clashes with you being open to other ideas...

So idk. I dont agree with the whole try-trading thing.

nenielsen • 10 February 2014 at 4:16 PM

@metaphor well, if they did it once, its possible they may do re-releasing again, especially since nearly 25 people (more or less) agree with it.

@ladynymeria

Yep, that's the main problem I see with the creatures as rare as doovoos. But I'm also questioning how the rarity scale works - if it's based on a ratio of the number users active to the number of creatures out there, in a few years there will be quite a few 0 level creatures... doovoos and gobblers might even go into the negative numbers.

Yes, thats the down side to it. If re-releasing does become a thing, it will have to be on rare occasions. I get the feeling that when users hear the word "re-release" an image of newbies with 100 gobblers pops into their heads... xD I doubt ian would be dumb enough to let that happen.

It's alright, your thoughts aren't jumbled at all. 😉 Its an interesting topic, re-releasing... lots of controversy.

I'm more saying it would be beneficial to have more things like the SAR center (i. e., the Thief Shop idea). I meet a lot of users with an excess in EC, and more options would be great for them. I, on the other hand, usually spend all my EC in one place... 😋

lol, I know that egg cave isn't quite in an economic depression... I kinda just wanted to do a play on words. xD But, I do feel that if things get worse, EC might be someday.

@karamel okay, sounds smarter than my plan... xD I still have 200 CC from the advent tree, and am planning to save it for an emergency freeze or something... 😊 Also, your right, I know what a depression is, and I am exagerating... but how else was I supposed to get people to post here? xD

@sammei Yeah, that would be nice. 😊 I dislike some of the descriptions. The tawny's description calls it a fox, but its obviously a red panda... I even talked to the actual artist, and they said I was right about that... :|

@poof yup, I made this to discuss my (and other peoples') ideas... I mean, not all of the ideas I posted are mine. I wouldn't tell people to post their opinions/ideas here if I WASN'T open minded... O_o

I do argue/explain my way of thinking to other people, but I made this topic to do exactly that - debate with people. A lot of people who have been posting here disagree with some of my ideas, and I've been debating with them over that... but that doesn't mean I'm not open minded.

ladynymeria • 10 February 2014 at 4:25 PM

@nenielsen I just had a thought! 😱 If you've ever played neopets you probably know about their smuggler's cove, if not I'll explain.

The smuggler's cove is a neat little shop that stocks extremely rare and incredibly expensive items. It stocks very rarely and has an extremely limited supply of things when it does. If EC had its own smuggler's cove in the form of the Thief Shop, it would be a huge ec sink. It could also very rarely stock old creatures (like the Doovoo). And so that people couldn't camp out and have a corner on the market, they could be limited to only stealing one thing a week/month/2 weeks/whatever. Doovoo and Flyen and Scarrows would still be rare but we wouldn't have to worry about them becoming .04 rarity. And users wouldn't have to complain about EC suddenly being flooded with any creature.

Just an idea ^^

karamel • 11 February 2014 at 7:39 AM

@nenielsen "well, if they did it once, its possible they may do re-releasing again, especially since nearly 25 people (more or less) agree with it."

Ian has stated before that he will /never/ re-release any creature /ever again/ after the drama of the Christmas re-releases. I can't find a direct link to his post/a quote, but it has already been mentioned in the most recent blog post's comments. :x

25 people isn't actually much if you consider Egg Cave's community, by the way. And there are lots of factors, such as how many people /disagree/ with it? Are these 25 people fairly new? Were they there when the Christmas 09 creatures were re-released? And so on and so forth.

nenielsen • 11 February 2014 at 11:48 PM

@ladynymeria yeah, that sounds great! 😊 I think it would work, really well! I hate how there's never any freebies here, especially compared to neopets. :/

@karamel oh... yup, I either wasn't active then or I didn't read the blog... xD

Your right, but it depends on how many people actually look at my topic. I doubt entire egg cave has seen it... 😋 I also feel like agreeing with these ideas doesn't depend on if your new or not, so I doubt age would matter much...

I have given up putting an option on the poll for disagreeing with my ideas. If people don't like them, I want to know why. Honestly, I think that option on the poll is just an easy way out. It's also pretty depressing to see only 1 post and 30 votes for "this is stupid" :/


Anyway, I feel like there's too many uncertainties about the votes on the poll. Listing them all here isn't going to answer these questions for us... 😋

karamel • 12 February 2014 at 11:38 AM

@nenielsen I think it /does/ depend on your account age, since you weren't there when the Christmas 09 LEs were re-released and may not have as much understanding as older users.