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chowchow2012 • 27 January 2014 at 12:10 PM

@leafpelt
But then, some people use "junk" e-mails where they register all their accounts in or whatnot. The point is I don't receive e-mails from EC because I don't want to.

I am honestly a person who just basically never checks their e-mail.

Also as a backstory I know the game howrse or something deletes your account after being inactive. I hate this actually I haven't played the game in a year but last year I saw an ad for it and I was like oh yeah I had some pretty cool horses and stuff. Before that year I had already made an account and since I wasn't active everything got deleted. I was pretty upset about it, because for some of the stuff it was now really rare/cost money.

leafpelt • 27 January 2014 at 12:36 PM

@nenielsen

Raffles and auctions, perhaps? Using creatures as tickets? I know some sites do that as a well of increasing rarities and such.

@chowchow2012

True, but the gaps between rare creatures and common creatures is increasing. It's kind of hard to even dream of a Tine when you need a truckload of CC and EC, trade it for creatures, and then trade for a rare. If possible.

As for the email part...I see your point. But maybe there's some form of communication that acts as a "Are you sure?" mechanism?

nenielsen • 27 January 2014 at 12:47 PM

@chowchow2012 yeah, that's the downside of some of these online games. I'd really not like Egg Cave to be that way. What I'm suggesting is simply a button on the profile page to delete your account and automatically send all your creatures to the adoption center, instead of deleting them.

@leafpelt Sounds like it could work! I know eggcavern has a raffle, but they haven't done one in over a year... :|

leafpelt • 27 January 2014 at 5:46 PM

@nenielsen

....Is it still active? Eggcavern, I mean.

spiritkoi • 27 January 2014 at 5:53 PM

@nenielsen @leafpelt Clicking, yes. Raffles..... maaaayybee? I think the last raffle was in 2013 September.

nenielsen • 27 January 2014 at 6:53 PM

@leafpelt @spiritkoi Of course their is still clicking, right now there's about 400 creatures up. But raffles? Heck no, I haven't seen one in like a year... :| I've asked the creator about it but got no reply.

spiritkoi • 27 January 2014 at 6:55 PM

@nenielsen Well, I think they are doing MASSIVE updates, the last time I heard.

nenielsen • 27 January 2014 at 6:55 PM

@spiritkoi that take a year? Huh, I hope they're good... at least somewhat worthwhile. 😋

spiritkoi • 27 January 2014 at 6:57 PM

@nenielsen Hopefully.

leafpelt • 27 January 2014 at 8:38 PM

@spiritkoi

That's pretty...inactive. o.o

@nenielsen

Well, in that aspect...we can only wait...X3

nenielsen • 28 January 2014 at 1:32 AM

@leafpelt true.... but if they take much longer I'll go CRAAAAAZZZYYYY... oh no I think its too late! xD

leafpelt • 28 January 2014 at 1:42 AM

@nenielsen

Yeah...I'm impatient as well..so...

...Witness?

To preserve the last strand of sanity, I, Leafpelt, vow to lurk even more, communicate even less, and stay quiet more, with the rare exemption of a good discussion. I will stay in my room, eat chocolates, huddle in a corner until further notice.

Signed,

X__Leafpelt_

gabrieltaft • 28 January 2014 at 3:21 AM

@nenielsen instead of Cave Monthlies, they should have SARC monthlies that cost like 5 million ec each available for one month. That would be a good way of removing ec from the market and making it a competing currency to CC. Then you could bring Back CC trading, because EC would have similar value.

nenielsen • 28 January 2014 at 10:08 AM

@leafpelt lol xD

@gabrieltaft Yah, that would work, maybe even too well, though... I think 5 million is a little high.... xD I'm lucky if I make 1 million in a month!

gabrieltaft • 28 January 2014 at 12:46 PM

@nenielsen the problem is that there is sooooo much ec in the market, so this creature would have to be expensive. Maybe 3 million.

Also, if one cave monthly was a sarc monthly and the other was released into the cave permanently it would be cool if they retired one old cave creature a month.

nenielsen • 28 January 2014 at 10:59 PM

@gabrieltaft yes... 3 million would actually work better then huh. 😃 I like the idea of monthly SAR creatures... but I kinda appreciate the cave creatures being more or less always there... retiring ones every month might be a bit much... but yeah its a good idea! 😉

gabrieltaft • 28 January 2014 at 11:40 PM

@nenielsen. My thoughts behind the 1 creature a month get retired concept is that everyone could build up creatures with value. Right now most people skip through cave creatures hoping for a star or a mo. With an ever changing cave and the possibility of any creature retiring it would make the cave more dynamic. It would also be nice if more creatures were released with a mo level rarity and terron style of finding.

nenielsen • 28 January 2014 at 11:50 PM

@gabrieltaft well if you say it that way, I do feel like that would really help... the egg cave can be so boring, and I'm just realizing that after the whole CRW.... 😋 The cave does need more of a dynamic, especially now that you can try more than 10 times a day.

Hey, if you wouldn't mind, could you help me ping people? Also, pinging @ian would be great. 😊

@emmarose14
@itslisaaa
@cutiecupcake

gabrieltaft • 28 January 2014 at 11:53 PM

@nenielsen yup! And I bet there are more changes in the works!

nenielsen • 28 January 2014 at 11:56 PM

@gabrieltaft hopefully fun ones! 😃

Sorry, livepulse pings... -_____-"
@pebblestar-nightclan
@froggytails
@aliney
@circus

aliney • 29 January 2014 at 12:09 AM

@nenielsen
I agree on most things but i do get why eggcave is so unsure on if they should bring back CC trading. Because there are many people who abuse this in somewhat ways and it effected others. When the took away the "gifting" CC it the people who used it correctly and nicely couldn't trade so either. Having CC trading will change the value of many things too 😋 So i understand why eggcave is rethinking on if they should bring it back. Haha though i think they should because for people, like me, who don't get the buy CC, its hard to get creatures when you don't buy CC. :/ It will cause a huge uproar in the community if it does come back too cx

I LOVE THE IDEA OF GETTING CREATURES FROM THE ADOPTION CENTER! Its horrible when CSP creatures die ☹️ Tho there should be some rules added onto it.

There should be like an inactive sign on your profile too! like those people who are totally inactive you can tell who is or not? Like some people are asking for creatures on inactive accounts and im like "why are you asking? its ovbious that they havent talked to anybody in like 3 months (based on their wall sorta). It was a random idea that came to me XD

The games on eggcave to gain EC has been going around for sometime too. I think eggcave has actually been working on it, the site trivia, the daily sign in. But a game would be cool too c:

Sorry if none of this stuff makes sense to you. lol. Iam in a very... uhh... expressing? Mood right now haha.

Check out my topic too please? http://eggcave.com/forums/topic/47146/0#1084934

nenielsen • 30 January 2014 at 10:03 PM

@aliney hmm, I'm getting the feeling that instead of just bringing back the CC gifting, they should actually add a CC trading feature in the trade center. Yeah, I have trouble with creatures too. I don't buy CC, and don't plan to. 😋 I think there's always going to be an uproar when they change something.

I know, people pay $5 dollars per creature. Having them just die sucks. >.<

Maybe, but I wouldn't want to say I'm inactive then come back and have my account gone... O_o

Like neopets, I think it would be awesome to have an arcade. 😸 The site trivia/daily sign in/alkub races really aren't games, and their EC yield is way too low to be any fun.

It's okay, what you say makes enough sense. 😉

Okay! Thank you for your response! 😃

metaphor • 31 January 2014 at 10:49 PM

Sorry, but seizing is a disastrous idea. I could see that working in cases of account inactivity, say over a year. But certainly not for single creatures dying. That's an Eggcave Tribulation just waiting to happen.

nenielsen • 1 February 2014 at 1:51 AM

@metaphor well, I think it should be considered. I hate it when creatures (especially CSPs) die, and I would feel better if I new they weren't just deleted, but given to someone else...

But this idea is only one of the solutions I came up for this problem: there are never any creatures in the AC! You go on other websites like Egg Cave(neopets, etc.), and there is almost always at least something there... but that probably has to do with the difference in the number of player activity.

Whatever, all these ideas I have solve at least one problem, but by doing so, may create more... it's a matter of outwaying the risks, and I feel like seizing is definitely debatable on this topic. But I'm curious - what problems do you think might happen in "seizing"? That's really why I'm throwing all these ideas around: I want to hear what people think are their flaws.

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blub • 1 February 2014 at 7:10 AM

Just too many options, and ideas, so only reacting on a few.

I do like the idea when someone is quitting, you'll have the possiblity to donate everything, as well as the name can be reused again.

I am not sure, but do people get e-mails when they don't came back to eggcave for a while?

It would be ideal if you could show on your profile you're on a hiatus.

I don't know if this was suggested (I skipped a page), but maybe CC creatures could go to the donation centre instead of dying. If a creature dies it's completely gone, yet if it would go to for example the donation centre, even the old owner could try to get him back though trade (or someone Lucky who wants to keep it/or trade it).


I would like it as well if mre cave creatures would retire, this would als make it easier for starters to get started, making each creature something worth.

nenielsen • 1 February 2014 at 12:48 PM

@frosted OMG you typed so much... I hope you don't have blisters! xD lol

1. Impossibility in Obtaining Rare Creatures:

By rare (impossible-to-get) rare creatures, I mean things like doovoos and gobblers.... and whatever else is impossible-to-get. I think everyone has their own idea on what "impossible rares" are - it depends on you. If you spend money here, there probably is a lot less you consider to be rare, compared to a user who doesn't buy CC. But in this sense, I'm talking more about the super old CCs and even the LEs, the stuff that never shows up in the TC.

I want to say one thing before I move on: This is a game. And because it is a game, I believe you can't really "work" here. But that's just me... 😋

I think that changing the prices of stock you can purchase with CC would help this problem, but at the risk of creating more. As I've said before, its a matter of out-waying the risks. I believe that lowering prices should be discussed more, and definitely considered.

I think I would appreciate my nym not being permanently deleted (apart from the ressurection stone). I think if there was seizing, it would have to be like this: a period of time after your creature dies, you have the chance to resurect it. After that time period, it is seized by the adoption center.

You keep throwing around the word lazy... how I see it, to even keep all your creatures alive, it takes "work": You have to feed for EC (if you have a big cove, this is a big step), then if you hopefully have enough, then you can spend it at tims. Thats the easier way out. The other way, is to save up EC, and come on here every single day to keep you creatures alive. Now, I, like a lot of other people who come here, have a real life, with real pets (a cow and 6 sheep!). My egg cave pets are great and all, but they aren't my whole world. And if my whole world was online, I would be unhappy (and in serious need of exercise😋). I'm not saying you or anyone has their whole life here, I'm saying that just because people don't play as often, does not mean they are lazy.

The eggcavern raffle Xtravaganza has been inactive for over a year. I think it would be much better, also, to have an egg cave raffle. People wouldn't have to donate creatures (no donations=no raffle) and I feel it would be much easier (not everyone has an eggcavern account).


2. Ec has very little face-value:

Totally.

Yes, the only people getting CSPs (without buying CC) are the people who endlessly feed (I am not one of these people).


3. There are so many empty, inactive accounts:

Yeah, I'm dying here! Do you know any other sites like that? (I use eggcavern/yarolds)

Yeah, there needs to be more things to buy with EC. A level-up potion would work wonders. Everyone would buy it. 😃

I'd like to see more creatures released every month because I've had a problem with the ones from the past 5 months - dogs dogs dogs!!! I'm drowning in dog hair... Dx

Punishment? I think your forgetting that this is a game, and these creatures are not alive... I mean, if I had a choice, I'd prefer to keep my REAL pets alive over these fake ones...

If @ian wants egg cave to grow ($$$) then it needs to be easier for newbies. YOU may not like it, but more members=more money... I think Ian would rather have the members/money instead of having it "fair"... I've been playing as long as you have, and I think I would have appreciated it if it didn't take me this long to have only 1/3 of my wishlist... but thats just my opinion...

Yes, people doing it on their own is much less controversial... I doubt anyone would delete their account on accident "forgetting" about their CSPs... but who knows.


I'll finish replying to your post later, okay? You have a LOOOOOooooonnnnggg post! Thank you for posting at all though. 😉

@blub

Okay, makes your response easier then someone else's *points up* lol 😋

I don't think people get emails like that, if they sent things like that out, I wouldn't know, I barely check my egg cave email (so much spam).

I would like that. 😃

That was one of my suggestions (but not just CCs). Its very controversial, but I still think it could help.

Thanks for the input! 😊

@karamel This statement is more saying that there are very *few* if any. 😋

karamel • 1 February 2014 at 1:09 PM

@blub Nope, Egg Cave doesn't send inactivity emails.

@frosted "I am not mentioning anyone in particular as lazy by my posts, but many people do nothing, and expect a lot of rares to be given to them for a very cheap price, which is just cave monthlies or commons... It's ridiculous.
Give and get. Trade.. in one word.. Hard work , the key of success in my story as well.."

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the whole "it's not fair that I can't get anything /good/" point. Thank you. ❤️

@nenielsen I noticed your new point: "There's never anything at the Adoption/Donations Centers!"

Actually, there are a few travels in the DC sometimes. (Uh, I'm not going to say where they all went, but er... Uhm... Totally innocent here. *poker face*)
And I've seen creatures in the AC quite a few times. They're not necessarily /rare/, but I have seen lots of junk eggs in there. I think the adoption fee is probably the biggest reason why people don't abandon as many creatures as they'd like.

barbyka • 1 February 2014 at 1:12 PM

@nenielsen

There were many comments before me and I haven't gone through everything so I'm sorry if I'm repeating something that was already said.

1. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get the rare creatures I want. But I've come to accept that there were less users when EC first started and that also means less creatures stolen/bought. And the long-term players get the Le's that I get so I understand they wouldn't trade the older creature for them.

I've recently managed to get a credit card for cc purchases. And I don't mind the creatures being 500cc, but maybe we could have more sales like the black Friday.

- When MORTAL creatures starve, they are "seized" by the Adoption Center, and given away, instead of dieing.
I agree with this 150%. When I first started I've come across quite a few coves with Le's and the users were willing to trade them, only they stopped coming on before we completed the trade and the creatures died.

I like most (99%) of creatures here, that's why I'm staying. If I didn't like the art I'd be gone in a couple of months.

I don't really deal with travels any more so I can't say anything on that topic.

And I do miss cc trading. It was so much easier for newbies. I know it's the only way I managed to get any decent creatures. Well apart from trading 5+ mill EC for CC monthlies. And that's a big amount to get for someone who just started. I miss those days...

Edit: I forgot to mention immortalization. I do miss Glitter Graphics. I wish EC would be able to get some sort of agreement that we could post on it/similar sites.

cirrus • 1 February 2014 at 2:19 PM

@nenielsen


What you said:
1. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get the rare creatures I want:
-Adding more creatures monthly would help spread the "creature wealth" and there would be more limited edition creatures to go around when they retire
-Making Cash Shop Park creatures cheaper: more users would by them, and there would be more to go around when they retire
-When MORTAL creatures starve, they are "seized" by the Adoption Center, and given away, instead of dieing
-Creature raffles!

2. EC has very little face-value:
-Less EC yield from feeding
-More things to buy with EC (creature shops around Ark City, Leila[The Thief Shop: http://eggcave.com/forums/topic/3853/ ], etc.)
-Minigames around Ark to harvest more EC

3. There are so many empty, inactive accounts:
-Making it easier to immortalize creatures would encourage newbies to stay active
-More monthlies would encourage newbies to stay active
-Reminders when mortal creatures are at half health or less
-When creatures starve, they are "seized" by the Adoption Center, and given away, instead of dieing
-Having the option of deleting your account and ABANDONING ALL YOUR CREATURES AT THE ADOPTION CENTER FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!!

4.There aren't enough creatures that I like:
-More limited editions each month
-More user suggestions taken into account by Egg Cave staff
-Each month, users VOTE for the top user suggestions (yay, democracy!)

5. The Cave hates me, I never get any limited editions:
-Having Egg Cave retire some of the older cave creatures
-Increasing the rates of limited editions appearing in the cave

6. Trading for things I want is so hard:
-Bring back Cave Cash trading!
-Add in trading for travels
-Trading in cave tries, meteoroid tries, and name changes
-Trading in more than 5 creatures

7. There are never anything at the Adoptions/Donations Centers:
-When creatures starve, they are "seized" by the Adoption Center, then given away, instead of dieing
-If a travel at the travel agency hasn't been sold in a certain period of time (say, 48 hours) then it is sent to the Donations Center
-Lowering the rarity and pricing of some travels (say, a few travels that restock every hour that cost 100 EC) as to encourage users to donate extras


My Rebuttal:
1. Yes, it is hard to get many creatures. I don't want creatures to be more common, but I want people to be trading them more. For example, although I have plenty of creatures worth an Oscoa that I'd be willing to trade, no one want to trade their Oscoa, so it's practically impossible to get one. But they wouldn't be rare if they were easy to get. Please, this is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard and I've been hearing it more and more frequently lately, so just drop it. It should be hard to get some creatures. In life, you can't have every single thing that you want, and it's the same way in Eggcave.
-LE creatures are actually pretty common, and that would just be adding more common, worthless creatures to Eggcave and you would soon forget about them.
-Yes, but if they were cheaper, they wouldn't be as rare, which would make it even harder to get rare creatures. The easiest way to quickly build up your cove is from the CC, and you want to make them more common???
-I kind of agree with this, but once again, no creatures would ever become rarer if this happened because they would never die.
-This is an cool idea.

2. Well I guess.
-No, I think the amount of EC we get is fine, if we get less than that would just make everything cheaper because when everyone has less, they sell to everyone for less, or we would completely stop using EC at all.
-I like this idea.
-I definitely agree with this.

3. Yep, that's just a fact that won't change.
-What, no it wouldn't. I'm sorry, but I just don't understand how you feel making immortal creatures will make newbies stay. If anything, they'll quit sooner because they won't have to come back and feed their eggs everyday.
-We already get four creatures every month or usually more because there's also a holiday or event like every month. We don't need more.
-I don't know if that's necessary, maybe it should be optional.
- Why'd you put this twice? XD
-Or just give them away before you delete your account. This feature seems pretty pointless.

4. For once, I agree with your 100%!!
-You basically said this in #3. 😋
-I think they take as many into account as they can. I doubt they just ignore some suggestions for no reason.
-I love this idea too.

5. I always end up at the end of the month with more LE's than I want and no matter what I do, I can't trade them or anything so they sit in my cove dying. LE's are already pretty common, you might as well just turn them into common creatures.
-This idea practically goes against everything you've, said, but I agree. Especially if it happened without warning, all of a sudden newbies who only had commons would have some uncommon creatures, and older users who thought that the commons were a waste of time and didn't touch them would want one.
-No. Just no. I practically just said my reason for that. That is a bad idea.

6. Yea, that's because all your rare creatures that people actually want you don't want to trade. I'm the same way, but I don't complain about it.
-This actually really does need to happen.
-Another good idea.
-I guess that could happen, I don't really see people using it that much though, and it certainly wouldn't help you get rare creatures.
-This should happen too.

7. Well duh, nobodies going to pay to get rid of their creatures unless they're common and clogging up their cove. As for the Donations Center, I totally agree, I've never seen anything there. Can you donate stuff? and what do you donate, travels, EC, I literally have no idea.
-I know you want to look like you have so many ideas to help the Eggconomy, but please, you put this idea on here three times, and you put a couple others on twice but just reworded them a little. Don't.
-I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous, if Walmart doesn't sell something within an amount of time, do they give it away for free? No. They throw it away or keep it for sale.
-Yea, but if they are that cheap and that common, why wouldn't you just buy one in the first place. It's not like you have to spend your EC on something else. Let me rephrase that actually, it's not like you have anything else to spend your EC on.

While you had some good ideas, my main problem was that you seemed to want to get rid of rarity and value in creatures. I realize that you want your cove to look nice, but you can't wipe-out rarity because you don't have a creature that you want. Sorry if I seem mean, I'm not trying to be. These are my real opinions, and I really don't want to be rude. I'm just brutally honest. 😃