Distribution of Creatures

takochu • 13 June 2014 at 3:17 PM

@awkolicious


Okay! It depends on the creature! 😸

awkolicious • 13 June 2014 at 3:19 PM

@takochu Yay c: Now do we have this settled or should we keep debating?
@mastergemma
@metaphor
@trig
Sorry I like debating *-* Besides Ian could or could not make this happen, it was just an idea. But I also think that opinions are a necessity to even get a success. XD So I guess half one side half the other. Oh I'm so neutral.

takochu • 13 June 2014 at 3:20 PM

@awkolicious

I don't care. If anyone can make it even better, I am okay. I just don't want any rudeness. (you have not been rude).

awkolicious • 13 June 2014 at 3:22 PM

@takochu Alright ^.^ I understand where you're coming from I suppose.

metaphor • 13 June 2014 at 3:32 PM

@awkolicious

I'm definitely on both sides too! 😊

That seems to be what a lot of people miss. I love that a lot of my creatures are super rare; however, I also don't think it's logical to keep most creatures from newbies forever just because people want to feel super special for being here first. It's not really just about fairness; it's about the growth of the site. The point of it is to collect creatures. How is the economy going to grow here if everyone demands $60 for a single Nym? I see that EC is trying to strengthen our economy with adding the items and such. There's no denying, though, that creatures play the biggest role in this economy. They're the point of the game and always will be. I bring this up every time this debate comes up, and it seems to get lost in the sea of "noooo it's not fair to me!!!! I should be able to charge 20+ old CC creatures for one single creature. I was here first!!!!"

And it's always the same argument: "people should have to work for their creatures" and all that. I'm not saying that these things should just be handed to people, which is why I'm on both sides. I'm also strongly against the whole "put inactive accounts' creatures in the AC" thing, too, because it seems incredibly self-serving. I'm not even saying that Onnies and Doovoos and Macbots should be released every year, not even every other year. But as I mentioned up thread, heck broke loose when Ian re-released old popular Christmas creatures one Christmas Day. I thought it was a perfectly kind and sensible thing to do. You only get 10 tries anyway. But noooo, let's all cry and threaten to leave because we just can't stand the thought of a few more people owning a Foo. I checked to see how totally un-rare the popular Foo and Florn have become after that terrible, terrible re-release; there are none even in the TC. Wow!

/endrant

EDIT: Okay, there is one fully evolved Florn in the TC at the moment. The person is asking for a fully grown Foo.

awkolicious • 13 June 2014 at 3:33 PM

@metaphor Exactly. PRAISE METAPHOR EVERYONE X3

mightyeglantine • 13 June 2014 at 3:50 PM

@takochu
Re-releasing creatures would be disastrous, Therefore I will have to strongly disagree with this topic (Which I have seen SO many in my 4 years on here) Also Ian has specifically stated he will not Re-Release anymore creatures.

As for the Giving away Inactive users Creatures I would also be against that as it really isnt benefiting anyone, and would just cause trouble with users who may have accidentally gone on a longer haitus than they planned for or someone who has Immortalized all of their creatures and just wants to preserve their cove but doesnt log on often.

Lastly I believe getting desired creatures Should be difficult, difficulty can help distinguish those who cant commit to work and will probably get bored and leave from those who want to work and love having to haggle and will probably be here in the long run.
Giving creatures to those who havent worked is like taking someones money that they worked for and giving it to someone who doesnt work even though they can.

If you want a creature work for it people shouldnt expect special treatment for being new commit to it and work~

metaphor • 13 June 2014 at 6:34 PM

*sigh*

It would only be disastrous if it wasn't done responsibly. This is the one thing that drives me insane about this community lol.

@mightyeglantine

I'm sorry, but shelling out $60 bucks for a creature isn't exactly "working hard" for a creature. It's just having the money to do just that. I say this as someone who has spent a great deal on CC. It really has little to do with working hard.


This is where I get kind of annoyed with this topic: everyone getting all high and mighty about "earning things." I guess one could argue that if you're paying to buy these things with your own money, then you are working for them. However, I don't know where people get responsible re-releasing = giving every user an Onny just for the heck of it.

Again, "working hard" for something in-game would require actually playing the game, not buying tons of CC and trading it away to willing people.

takochu • 13 June 2014 at 7:25 PM

@metaphor @mightyeglantine


I agree with you, metaphor. If buying CC is working hard, re=-release/donated creatures would be in the CSP for their worth in CC. It's the same thing!

yeijun • 14 June 2014 at 12:28 AM

Also more missions so we could get some free CC. AGREE WITH ME?

Deleted • 15 June 2014 at 4:29 AM

@takochu
But what if that person comes back and sees that all their creatures, that they had gotten before leaving, are gone? ☹️

kollais • 15 June 2014 at 5:01 AM

I don't think, that giving out someone's creatures away, if that person is inactive, is fair. It's not fair at all. If that creature is CC, person paid money for it. Or this creature might be present, or have some sentimental value.

And believe me (I've immortalized a lot of creatures in dying coves), users return. From every 10 users with dying rare creatures 5 are returning. They can return after a year or two. But they return. And they are happy to see their old creatures, they start to play again. And what, if their creatures (even immortal) will go to someone else? They'll feel very bad.

But I think, that metaphor's idea of re-releasing creatures in small quantities is very good. It's not offensive for anyone. And it's keeps new users interested.

takochu • 15 June 2014 at 12:11 PM

@yeijun

No.

dionaea • 16 June 2014 at 12:57 PM

Given option number one given by the starter of this thread I can do nothing but vote against this. I regularly forget to log into my side accounts and taking my creatures from me because of it is just plain robbery. I'm 100% for plain and simple rereleases though. Simply make everything available permanently for CC or some new currency which is harder to obtain than EC. Old cave creatures could be 1000 CC, old CCs could be 2000 CC.

misa • 16 June 2014 at 6:01 PM

@takochu
I like the idea of rereleasing but only in small amounts. For example, maybe for a contest or special events.

kreptacat • 16 June 2014 at 7:05 PM

@takochu

I think that creatures like that should be occasionally put in the Adoption Center, but if the person who originally owned them comes back and still wants them, they should be able to reclaim them.

That's just my opinion. I can see why you would want them to come back, but it wouldn't be fair to the older players.

takochu • 16 June 2014 at 7:48 PM

@misa

Maybe during Christmas?

crunchyoreo25 • 16 June 2014 at 7:59 PM

@takochu

I believe this idea (or many others quite similar to it) has been raised multiple times before. I personally think that it will not work. Like many others said, re-releasing creatures, especially rare and popular ones, takes the fun and sense of accomplishment out of getting it yourself.

Everybody here started out as a newbie, so it's not like old users got what they have by default. Everybody had "junks". So simply saying that it's unfair that old users get all the "good" creatures is not right. This would also test your dedication toward this site, as all creatures eventually rise in price, even those that seem almost worthless now.

Re-releasing creatures and making them CSPs, even expensive ones, would not work either. Those who have unlimited access have an extreme advantage over those who don't.

takochu • 16 June 2014 at 8:11 PM

@crunchyoreo25

The old users have the rare creatures that will keep going up in price. This whole "Get accomplishment for getting the pet yourself", is stupid. People who buy CC, such as me. Are not accomplishing things. It's the same. You just buy CC and get the pet.

yeijun • 16 June 2014 at 9:01 PM

More missions please

crunchyoreo25 • 17 June 2014 at 8:56 AM

@takochu

Yeah, but what about the users who don't buy CC? They have to work to get what they want themselves, instead of using real money.
Like I said, the old users all started out as newbies with nothing but the cave creatures, so I think it would be unfair if newbies now would be able to get what old users couldn't.

borgore • 17 June 2014 at 9:05 AM

@takochu

When they re-released the christmas creatures like the Foo, ect, people got annoyed about it, so re-releasing creatures is a bad idea in my opinion, it prevents things from being rare, imagine if they re-released Macbots and Doovoos, their value will just go down.

And about people who leave their creatures, sometimes I hiatus and have been inactive for a while before, if my creatures had been automatically thrown into the AC i'd be annoyed, imagine if someone was ill or something and couldn't get online and that happened?

I mean, users who haven't logged in for maybe 3+ years could be a thing, it does seem quite a long time for them and most likely to not come back, but anything less just seems a bit extreme, some users do come back after a few years though, i kinda agree with this side and kinda don't.

raitonchidori • 17 June 2014 at 9:25 AM

The only way I think it could work, would be Egg Cave Team contact old users by e-mail asking them if they would come back. After that, the user could decide if yes, or no, and then, he could give his creatures for other people, but Egg Cave can't just select an old account just because the user doesn't log in for years and give his creatures away, because that user may come back or simply wouldn't like it to happen. After the user respond he will not come back, Egg Cave Team could use those creatures for auctions, adoption, contests, etc.

crunchyoreo25 • 17 June 2014 at 9:37 AM

@borgore
@raitonchidori

Well, people can always change their mind. For example, I went on 2 pretty long hiatuses, during which I completely forgot about EggCave. During those times, I didn't think I would really come back, but I did. So personally, I think old accounts should be left as they are.

takochu • 17 June 2014 at 11:58 AM

@borgore


I agree with everything you said.

borgore • 17 June 2014 at 12:00 PM

@crunchyoreo25

someone whose not logged in for 3 years, in my opinion, is really unlikely to come back, even so if they'd been inactive before the immortal thing was implemented their creatures would be dead anyway so there'd be nothing to throw into the AC. some other sites sorta regurgitate super old, inactive accounts so don't see why we couldn't, would free up space and names, etc etc but at the same time i understand your point 100%, it's that huge /if/ they would come back.

i strongly support @raitonchidori's points though, to email them. if they made a spam email or something just for EC then I guess it'd be their loss(?). could argue with my point whoopsie

Deleted • 17 June 2014 at 4:42 PM

At the rate creature values are inflating, it's going to be near possible for new players to afford these older creatures in a few years from now. I completely support re-releases, but maybe to the extent of difficulty to obtain like the Easter egg hunt this year.

As for creatures on inactive accounts, I believe that it should be left to the user's discretion whether they want to give their creatures away or not. Users should be able to come back and find their creatures the way they left them, especially if they're immortal or they're able to resurrect them.

...Now if they violate site guidelines and get their account terminated, why let those creatures go to waste? I was on a site a few months back that sells "sanctuary keys" in their cash shop. Users buy those keys and could rescue(adopt) x amount of creatures per key in permanently banned accounts. Raffles/auctions/adoption could work also.

sappheara • 22 June 2014 at 4:25 AM

I think it would be a good idea but there are problems with it as well. As a newbie I wouldn't mind getting my hands on the older rarer pets but at the same time I don't agree with taking away inactive members pets, regardless of how long they been gone.

Maybe a better way would be to have a special event once a year of 5 (1 of each) retired pet(s). It would be some kind of event that active users would have to work for to get (some kind of point system) and the top 5 users would be the ones to get the retire pet(s). If it did happen they can change the species of pets each year and those pets can still keep their rarity and give users who don't have that type of pet a chance of owning them.

It's just an idea and if someone already posted this, sorry. I haven't read through everyone's post yet.

(I made a topic here if anyone would like discuss my idea.)

eveadelekitty • 5 August 2014 at 8:25 PM

I only said YES because if they're gone for 15 years or more they get a message, are you quitting? in their email or whatever. It states that if they quit their animals will be put in the adoption center under a pre-owned rarity fee. If they answer YES, the animals are put up.

jazzyleia • 5 August 2014 at 9:04 PM

I have read these commenta and I guess I would like to put my opinion out there.

I have ben on this site for almost four years. In that amount of time, I have never once gotten CC but I have traded for the creatures. Saying that older users have the best or are being greedy is just plain rude. We all started out the same with just cave commons and event releases. In the end, it is how hard you want to get something and how much you want to pay for it. Nothing in life is easy.

As for re-releasing creatures I feel would be something that more people would get upset about than happy about. I myself thought this topic, when brought up in the past year and years before, was annoying and a waste. I don't personally care about value and anything because my pets are my babies but it also wouldn't help the community in any way.
Now maybe more events with pets from those events would be nice but new creatures not old ones from the begining of the site.