Rants should not be allowed on forums.

stellalunagirl • 23 June 2012 at 10:26 PM

@april__

In response to your statement about finding our comment rude:

"Well, a lot of stuff people say online does not really need to be said, and why would they say/post/show these things unless they WANT attention from others?"

As said in the first page, agreed, some may not me rude but why would people post unless they want attention?

@hedwig68

I thought you said you were not going to post anymore?

april__ • 23 June 2012 at 10:26 PM

@james-bond

No. That's not what I meant. It's directed towards this specific topic. You misunderstood me.

And I don't see what you mean. At all. I agreed that they should be hidden, but not removed. Which is waht my post was about. Which is what you suggested in your first post.

I AGREE the topic you guys have posted ISN'T a rant. But the way some people, (not saying a nyone specifically) keep ranting about why rants shouldn't be allowed is a rant. Some of the posts are rants.

Some people really do have nowhere else to go.

My point is said. I am moving on. I'm too tired to continue being civilized. XD I'm cranky when I'm tired. I might come post a post tha makes more sense tomorrow.

Good night everyone.


As said in the first page, agreed, some may not me rude but why would people post unless they want attention?

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One last comment. You're right. Some do want attention. But not all. Some just want to let it out. And those that do want attention, what's wrong iwth that? Maybe they don't get attention in real life, or have someone to listen to their problems in real life?

When I tell people what's bothering me, (not ina rant) I don't want attention, but to feel better.

james-bond • 23 June 2012 at 10:27 PM

@hedwig68 Your seond sentance, I could say the exact same thing to you. Please don't twist words. That's something I do not like on discussions and suggestions.

And, you saw what I'm going to say next coming. I thought your latest post was your last??

linpug • 23 June 2012 at 10:38 PM

@james-bond

As I said before, in real life not everyone is happyand sometimes they need to express thier personality. Yeah, it's clear you not giving up on this matter. 😋 This topic is turning into more of a discussion and some posts are getting rude, so I'm going to leave. Please do not ping me back.

stellalunagirl • 23 June 2012 at 10:39 PM

@april__

At least someone can debate in a civilized manner, but to counter your last point,

EVERYTHING in public gains attention, and everyone knows that, so regardless of blatant attention seeking or not, whatever anyone posts online receives attention, even though you might want to feel better, you still get attention.

james-bond • 23 June 2012 at 10:39 PM

@linpug Then why did you post just then? Its like telling someone not to think of an elephant. Just like you're reading this now.

balletninja • 23 June 2012 at 10:42 PM

Really? Grow up. Rants are a part of life, your friends are gonna do it, your teachers are gonna do it, so will your parents.

I do it all the time and you know what? I feel a whole let better afterwards and unless I am harming myself or someone else by doing it, I am NOT going to stop.

pendulum • 23 June 2012 at 10:44 PM

Oh my. This discussion has gotten a little off topic.

Well, I think rants should be allowed. There is my two cents. There will be people who agree and disagree.

I think it's just the right to have opinions and go somewhere like a haven (such as Egg Cave) the forums to discuss matters in their lives that isn't private to them, but personal and need help and opinions on what to do or to get it off their chest. Or perhaps to understand if they are the only one that feels this way and maybe can be enlightened by another user by them sharing a similar rant/story.

In my eyes, there is nothing wrong with it.
If people don't like it, don't read it. xD Go about your life? It's obviously simple. xD I mean, there is a chit-chat thread for a reason I think. xD

james-bond • 23 June 2012 at 10:46 PM

@balletninja

1st paragraph) But that's in real life, and it is more necessary and important. You are closer to the people, you have a real and more intimate relationship with them. Therefore, it's more important that you listen. Here you're just telling a community of strangers. It's different to real life. Would the ranter walk up to a stranger on the street and bust into a rant? You'd get arrested.

2nd) Oh that's lovely.

stellalunagirl • 23 June 2012 at 10:46 PM

@balletninja

"Really? Grow up."

First off, parents and teachers are technically already grown up.

Secondly, it is talk like this that turns this discussion into a rant.

@pendulum
I like how you posted your opinion in a mature manner, this is a discussion, not some random rude argument.

whispers • 23 June 2012 at 10:46 PM

@james-bond
Balletninja is right.
You are going to see rants everywhere and you're going to have to deal with it. And you don't have to read them if you don't want to see them :|

james-bond • 23 June 2012 at 10:49 PM

@whispers read the reply I gave her.

I completely agree with @stellalunagirl

@pendulum Do you agree with the actual suggestion at the bottom of the first post?

sunshinecat • 23 June 2012 at 10:49 PM

@whispers Deal with it isn't really a good excuse for not solving a problem. It's like saying, people are going to swear on the forum and in real life, deal with it. You can at least try to create a better environment.

Thank you pendulum and april for being civil ^^

pendulum • 23 June 2012 at 10:50 PM

@james-bond

For a person that reads a criminal justice book (being me because that's what I do when I get really bored) getting arrested for busting into a rant to some stranger is not entirely justified.

However, you will get strange reactions, looks, or however a person will deal with that.

And I think for what has been going on this site since the beginning, rants have been going on at the blog, between users, and posted on the forums since they were developed in beta for the beta testers.

It's a part of life, and the internet is a much part of life for communicating as it is to rant to your mother or sibling or friend. Freedom of expression I always thought, but looks like users want Egg Cave and its terms to turn a new leaf.

Honestly, I haven't seen any other virtual pet site really mind ranting unless it's the biggest issue. It happens all the time. No matter what.

stellalunagirl • 23 June 2012 at 10:50 PM

@whispers

Yes, but rants have the potential to start up arguments and drama. Many people have used the "don't like, don't read" argument, but it still starts up drama anyway. And its not needed on the forums.

EDIT: And I completely agree with @sunshinecat

april__ • 23 June 2012 at 10:51 PM

@stellalunagirl

I do agree.

They will warrant attention. My point was just not everyone intends to get attention. Some rants do happen on impulse, and people do just want to feel better.

While they get attention, it's not for attention if that makes sense.

I'm not speaking for all, just some.

(Going to bed failed. Internet is too addicting apparently)

balletninja • 23 June 2012 at 10:53 PM

@stellalunagirl This is a rant. You can tell me it is a "debate" all you want but it is pretty obvious to me this is a rant.

And people need to grow up like them, they accept rants and that is why they do them.

See, doesn't this rant thread ya got goin' on here give ya a whole lot more satisfaction than punching a pillow? I know it does for me.

@whispers I mean I guess putting: RANT in the title would help people. But really, it is like chain mail in that it is pretty obvious when it is a rant and you can just choose to ex out of it and not have to read it. We don't control whether people read it or not xD

pendulum • 23 June 2012 at 10:54 PM

I think that rants belong in non related Egg Cave forums. @james-bond

I mean, I have ranted, and seen many many users get help from "ranting". They formed bonds with people just because someone lent their time and advice on any situation that was going on. In my utmost personal opinion, this is the weirdest suggestion ever for Egg Cave.

Today. I saw how important rarity on the site was to users in which I wasn't totally surprised.

But this topic just befuddles me, because it's just...weird. Taking that small, but significant right away from a user to talk about their day usually bad if it is a rant and possibly getting comfort from others is kinda just...*shakes head*

stellalunagirl • 23 June 2012 at 10:55 PM

@april__

I think in the heat of discussion people do tend to make generalizations.

Not EVERYBODY wants attention and are rude, granted, but there is usually a large majority who are.

Still, I am glad some people can be civilized in a discussion and not start random drama.

april__ • 23 June 2012 at 10:55 PM

Oh, and one more thing, too...

In Canada, you wouldn't get arrested for ranting on the streets. Unless you were in danger of harming yourself or someone else.

The freedom of speech here allows people to do this. It's why people have those... (what are they called? where they all hold signs and protest something? OH DUH PROTESTS!)

But, if you are in the way or causing a disturbance, you can be told to leave or whatever.

@stellalunagirl

I agree. I'm guilty of making generalizations. It happens.

And I think people should be able to be mature about disagreeing, too. I'm 18, I kind of have to be, lol!

james-bond • 23 June 2012 at 10:57 PM

@whispers I completely agree with @sunshinecat. She made a very good point.

@pendulum Where I live, (every country is different of course), if a stranger walks up to you and tells you their life problems in an in your face manner, getting all angry and using forceful language, you would call the police. You wouldn't like it. Or if someone stands on a chair they've set up in the middle of a hustling city square and starts shouting out their life's problems, depression, hating, hating, hating, they would get arrested. People don't like it.

Yes, rants have been going on since the beginning, but it's growing because more people think it's OK. We need to stop it while we can.

Are you saying that we should just deal with it? Because if you are read @sunshinecat's post: Deal with it isn't really a good excuse for not solving a problem. It's like saying, people are going to swear on the forum and in real life, deal with it. You can at least try to create a better environment.

pendulum • 23 June 2012 at 10:58 PM

Yes. In any discussion, generalizations will be made. YES, I agree some rants will warrant attention, but is it NEGATIVE attention?

No.

We're all here for the same purpose and that's because we like Egg Cave and the community and we SHOULD all care for one another. ❤️

And this is an online community, where we vary from different countries and places around the world.

I rather have this freedom than a restriction on what I can say on Egg Cave. I don't want another Neopets-like site where I get banned or warned for saying the word boyfriend and I dislike this and I have had a bad day, rant rant rant. Sorry...

stellalunagirl • 23 June 2012 at 11:00 PM

@balletninja

"This is a rant. You can tell me it is a "debate" all you want but it is pretty obvious to me this is a rant.

See, doesn't this rant thread ya got goin' on here give ya a whole lot more satisfaction than punching a pillow? I know it does for me."

Um, this is not something I'd get REALLY upset over? This is just me expressing my opinion. I don't really feel the need to punch a pillow or do anything like that. Really you should think your counter-arguments through before you post.

Also, please try to keep this thread civil, the last thing we want is people turning THIS into a rant/argument thread.

balletninja • 23 June 2012 at 11:03 PM

I like how everyone is like "I especially hate when fingers are pointed out in rants!" when you are totally pointing out that I am not acting mature on here. Sure, I am not acting mature but this is something that is REALLY important to me.

Hahaha, but really. Cut that out. It is very hypocritical, and while I don't care much about myself, it may hurt other users on this thread.

pendulum • 23 June 2012 at 11:03 PM

@stellalunagirl

I agree. This is a discussion people. Lighten up! 😊

james-bond • 23 June 2012 at 11:04 PM

@pendulum It is actually negative attention. It upsets people to see others sad, very often people push away other's kind remarks. It's unnecessary. And this suggestion gives no restriction. Have you even read the suggestion? (The bottom of 1st post).

@balletninja I agree with stellalunagirl. Can we please keep out the 'ya got goin' on here give ya' it's not exactly a very nice way to alk to someone.

stellalunagirl • 23 June 2012 at 11:06 PM

@balletninja

Talking about something that is important to you does not really warrant anyone being rude or immature.

And what is hypocritical exactly?

balletninja • 23 June 2012 at 11:07 PM

@pendulum There is a line of my freedom of speech I don't like people to cross. It makes me feel threatened. You can take away cuss words, slang, chat-speak, ect. But do not ever, EVER take away my rants.

Really, it is like the only reason I come on eggcave anymore. To comment on them and state my opinion. Taking that away or even tinkering with them would drive me INSANE. Even talking about messing with them gives me RAGE.

pendulum • 23 June 2012 at 11:07 PM

@james-bond I have read it. Through and through but what people have said I am replying to.

The topic has gone astray as it is.

Again, once again, I will always say in my opinion which is not to make anyone mad, if people don't want to see or reply to it, then don't. As far as I am concerned, there is no way to regulate people ranting and having sad/negative opinions on a site. It's going to happen. Sorry that it makes peoples' feathers rustled.

I understand. I think freedom of expression is kind of essential for a site and not everyone is going to be happy. D;

And at least I expected site users to be accepting of other peoples' opinions.

april__ • 23 June 2012 at 11:07 PM

@james-bond

I personally like to reach out to people when they rant. I like to know something's bothering them because I like to help.

Not everyone is like that, I agree. But I do feel that some rants have p ulled people together.

Often, I'll come across some and just go 'I feel that exact way!' and we can connect, and be relieved to not be alone in an opinion like that.