Implementing critique and suggestions

piucca • 4 September 2013 at 6:27 PM

@pirran

I do apologies if you miss read the entirety of my post.
Not once was I being aggressive. That was a professional critique.
I took time out of my busy day to give you the best critique I was able to as well as advice. If I didn't care, I would not have bothered.

Please understand that reading text with a set tone might not be the tone it was written in. Not once was the comment suppose to bring you down or to hurt you. It was truth, nothing more.

As far as any job, fast food or other, they all get put down.

quadricat • 4 September 2013 at 9:34 PM

@piucca

Piucca,
The first paragraph of your post was a critique. The rest of it was littered with very backhanded compliments and entirely too many "truths" that are in fact opinions, not truths. Its difficult to take a positive net-feeling from your post because of this.

You cannot tell someone that they are barely above awful or that they have many years to become good and then claim you didn't mean any harm.

You say "Personally I would not have let an incomplete piece go out as a finished product. Your art reflects you." Clearly you haven't had to sell art to put food on your table very often. Sometimes you have to submit less than your best because there isn't enough time, or life happened. You cant have a client say "I need X" and then, when X is due, just say "Sorry its not done" when the deadline rolls around. Thats a big fat zero in the reliability catagory. In a saturated market you don't want to be the no-show. Your pride is not worth more than putting food on the table.

Your apology here is also a Non-apology apology... which only furthers the negative feelings from the first post. You may as well say you're NOT sorry, because you clearly see no fault at all in what you wrote.

Now to clarify things, I am not saying you are wrong. I do not know your intentions, and its quite possible you really didn't mean any harm at all. What I am saying is that your word choice and the 'tone' of what you said does not reflect what you meant, if that is the case. And, in saying so, I could easily re-write what you said to Pirr here for you.


There are many things you could have done to have communicated more clearly, and you need to work on these things. You are not an awful critic, but you have many years to get to where you need to be if you are serious about continuing to try and articulate your thoughts. There are so many critics who are better then you, but there will always be. This fact should not have you stop learning new ways of making a good critique. Personally I would not have let an imprecise critique go out as a finished forum post. Your writing reflects you.


Do you see how that could be read as intending harm?

metaphor • 4 September 2013 at 9:41 PM

@piucca actually offered some helpful critique. Was it worded very nicely? Hm, no, it was pretty blunt in places; however, I do believe that she meant well.

Perhaps what could be avoided is bringing the artist into the critique. The critique should be about the work presented, not about the artist as a person. When people start throwing in "you," it starts feeling personal, which is completely understandable.


Just my two cents.

In other words, what @quadricat said.
Everyone is so eloquent lately, and then here is babbling me. Lawwwwwwl.☹️

piucca • 5 September 2013 at 9:04 AM

@quadricat

I sell my art to live, my art is currently putting me in college and paying my $1,500 a month rent. I understand and thought that my deeper understanding would be helpful to her.

I never had clam to being a professional critique. I have many years of experience, but I do not get paid for it. How ever, I am an artist who has been in similar situations. As well as been in the art industry for 11 years.

@metaphor

Artistic critique should not be filled with personal emotions when given. It is one of the more difficult things colleges teach, more so to learn.

As I had told the artist. If I didn't care, I would not have bothered saying anything.

pirran • 5 September 2013 at 11:33 AM

@Ian
I really appreciate that! I'm not going anywhere, you don't have to worry about that 😋 I enjoy working for you, I know you can't control the user base and its very vocal opinions, but it gets better each month as two or three realise I'm willing to listen and calm down a bit. Some might never change but that's their problem, not mine.

@piucca
I've seen your critique and that's all this thread is really for. I've also seen your deviantART, which has actually made me feel better, so thank you! 😃

@metaphor
Thanks for your two cents! xD

sprite • 5 September 2013 at 12:05 PM

@pirran

I think this is a good quote

"In the end, one simply has to fail again and again in order to achieve the mastery that unlocks more freedom and possibilities to his art."

Do see you trying and putting in a lot of effort. So there is a lot of potential. Yes this is work for you but also a learning process. Hope you can take from that as well.

Also when learning and trying to make creatures that there are no examples to work from is a challenge. Enough creatures have real life counterparts that are perhaps a good starting point to get an idea from. If you are doing that already then that is wonderful 😊

I'm learning and constantly looking and searching up stuff to get a better bearing. Do scrap stuff and restart since I learn or find a better example to work with. Don't have any time restraints either.

I think the Cave creatures are fine. The Cash Shop ones need to have a more whimsical quality that have their personality shine through. This is the best way I can describe it.

Shading is the part I hate the most as most artists do, but it's key to the art. Do think once you figure out more of the shading that is favored here you will be even better.

Do think your rustic qualities are nice just to steer it bit more to the whimsical imo would work better.

Do feel for you since working with a smaller format is harder. Have yet to try myself I am scared of it lol Glad you are sticking it out here and will keep working. The hardest part is not to give up 😊

piucca • 5 September 2013 at 12:08 PM

@pirran

I am glad. Though not sure how dead animals
could make you feel better. Glad it works for you.

It seems you are in better spirits which is wonderful to see.