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Deleted • 14 March 2013 at 12:18 AM
I have a small question.For example there is a person A and person B.Person A and B were very good friends with each other. Person A had a rare creature [perhaps a Macbot]. Person B wanted it badly. Person A didnt want to trade it but Person A gave it for BABYSITTING to Person B in condition that Person A would get it back whenever they ask for it. Person B was online about more than twice a week since the recent weeks. Person A suddenly posted that Person A wants the Macbot back. Person B ignored Person A and headed offline, and doesnt even respond.Also, there is proof that the Macbot belonged to Person A, as per the person who traded it to Person A, and that Person B gave nothing in return. Person A posted on Person B's wall saying for babysitting but Person B deleted that post later on. What would happen if so? Would the Macbot be retrieved?- These are just fictional characters - Person A and B are not to represent anyone else -PINGS@war@chapus2009@whispers@iceyfira@orderedchaos
hai • 14 March 2013 at 12:23 AM
@frosted Nope. All trades are final.
immortalravens_storage • 14 March 2013 at 12:27 AM
@frosted As it says in the trading section all trades are final. So no once it enters someone else's cove it is final. Even if they made an agreement. People don't always keep promises (most the time don't ^.^)
Meteoroid • 14 March 2013 at 12:30 AM
@frosted Things like 'babysitting' creatures are always iffy things to deal with. You may be making a personal agreement with a user, but as per the bulleted points under the Trade Safety page, every and all Creature Trades are final. Once a creature is outside your control, it is under the new user's discretion to do whatever they want with it. It stinks, but there needs to be a great sense of caution when participating in these sort of activities.http://eggcave.com/trades/safety
Deleted • 14 March 2013 at 12:38 AM
What if the person was just acting to be a friend, and helping them bit by bit just to cheat them in the end. Also according to the terms of service, "cheats" or "hacks and scams of any kind.It could be that Person B was pretending to be a friend of Person A just to get the creature and scam/cheat/hack them in the end.@Meteoroid@hai@immortalraven / @immortalravens_storage
Meteoroid • 14 March 2013 at 12:44 AM
@frosted That would be a fairly elaborate plan.A quote from the Trade Safety page reads;"Tracking down lost creatures if you are scammed through the Trade Center, we cannot track down lost creatures for you. If you observe these safety tips, you won't be scammed."Again, great caution is needed. A promise between two users can be upheld by only them.
immortalraven • 14 March 2013 at 12:46 AM
@frosted Good point. But you can't really ever tell if that is true or not ^.^ If the person (A) doesn't really truly know that other person (B) then they shouldn't trust them enough to let them 'babysit' a critter if person A wants it back in the end. It is still final unless there is strong proof I believe.Correct me if I'm wrong about that but that is how I see it to be. It sucks but happens a lot on here and in life. No way around it. It is part of life and learning.
Deleted • 14 March 2013 at 12:49 AM
@immortalraven / @MeteoroidThere was proof about the creature belonging to person A. There is proof that nothing else was traded in place from person B to person A, so it was not a trade. Person B deleted the proof but person A has a screenshot that person A says that it is for babysitting.Person A trusted person B but person B was violating that trust to scam person A. That is a cheat/hack/scam in some sort of way.
Meteoroid • 14 March 2013 at 12:56 AM
@frosted In a technical sense, the Trade was indeed completed if the Macbot found its way to User B. 'Babysitting' is not an official feature on this website and cannot be held as such. You're practically giving away a creature with the hope that the receiving end is nice enough to return it later. Your best bet would be for User A to send in a Ticket with as much evidence as they can and wait for an Admin's response (which would be Ian in this case). To reiterate, we cannot return any creatures lost through Trading in most scenarios.
immortalraven • 14 March 2013 at 12:57 AM
@frosted I was talking about the acting like a friend part and with the cheat/hack/scam not that there was no proof of the critter belonging to person A. That is why I went on to say that if you don't truly know them then don't let them 'babysit' I hope that made sense. It's like really late here o.o
barbyka • 14 March 2013 at 4:46 AM
@frosted I was babysitting 5 creatures once. And I had to offer a valuable creature in return. It was worth less then all 5 put together and in the case of Macbot you can't really equal the value. It was just a matter that I wanted my creature back and if I wouldn't want to trade creatures back, the other user could do whatever with my creature.
Deleted • 15 March 2013 at 7:17 AM
Umm.. So I have two more examples:[not related with the babysitting story]Person B adopted a rare creature [Macbot] from Person A in promise that they would give it when Person A returns from a long hiatus. Person A returned and Person B has either done any of the following:(1) traded the Macbot(2) gifted the Macbot to someone else(3) refused to give the Macbot.What would happen in this story if Person A has the screenshot of Person B promising to keep it and return it when they returned?Then, is the next example. [not related with the above stories]Person A gifted a creature which was worth around 2k CC in September 2012 , like a Ahjoon or Crystar egg to Person B. Person B used to humiliate and criticize Person A over jealousy/arrogance of their own cove achieved without buying CC. Person A also didnt buy CC and has a good cove. Person B promised not to trade it, and to return it if he/she thought of ever trading it. Person A trusted Person B who was humble for a month or so, and Person B started another sarcastic feeling against Person A in December or so. They started to trade the creature. They always said that a person offered 3k CC on that Ahjoon egg/Crystar egg while nobody did so. They were going to sell it when Person A wanted a share, like 80%. Person B said maybe, and then Person B started to trade it, but there wasnt any such offer, so Person A thought to take the very creature back, for a cost. Person A offered 3.5k for that Ahjoon/Crystar egg which wasnt worth that much. They didnt get a share. They reported Person B after 2 months.What would happen in this case?
bluebelle • 15 March 2013 at 11:56 AM
@frostedThis probably won't help but the first problem would be, why would you trust someone you've never seen to give your creatures back?
bubblez • 15 March 2013 at 2:49 PM
@frosted If I was person A, I'd send in a ticket with as much/all the proof/evidence as possible & hope for the best. But as much as it sucks, once a creature is in someone else's cove, it belongs to them. And they have the right to trade it back or not.
iceyfira • 15 March 2013 at 4:53 PM
@frosted Why are you pinging me? I would just find them irl and kill them with fire.Not really. All trades are final.
cotton • 15 March 2013 at 4:55 PM
I think that Person B is being awfully rude, but Person A should have had the common sense to not even share the Macbot with Person B. Person A needs to think about what could happen. As previously stated by others, all trades are final, and it sucks but Person A shouldn't have even thought of trading it in the first place.
xxxmahiruxxx • 15 March 2013 at 5:08 PM
I think people should just stop trusting people to 'babysit' creatures. Most of the time they don't get returned and people get upset. Don't trade with someone unless you're sure you won't want the creature back. 'Babysitting' is just some ploy that people use to get creatures they want and use the rules to not have to give them back.In summary: don't let others 'babysit' your creatures. This way is not safe and there's no guarantee you'll get your creature back.