Warning Very Heavy "Make Eggcave Better Place" ideas post

novrain62 • 30 September 2011 at 6:39 AM

@dionaea i see what you are saying 😊 also, we worked hard to get what we have and should not (by no means) have to give them ALL up to get one creature! This happens all the time and it's sad.

and no one should be told that when they place trades in the trade center (happens to me EVERY time) - pet peeve - these are only suggestions to help make this a site for every one, not just people who were here from the beginning - tomorrow 10 newbies will show up and be shot down the first day! How many abandoned cove are there? how many days did they last and why? I can tell you exactly why _ but i'm old enough to take it - some simply won't and don't. it's not nice to be virtually slapped in the face by some person you can't slap back! hahaha

really, i love it here - but have to agree with some of these suggestions - and call a spade a spade!!

anori • 30 September 2011 at 6:42 AM

I fully agree with you @dionaea like I said I just want to make them available so people that want them could work to get them. Now its mission impossible.
And I don't want all those pets to disappear from eggcave ☹️
Also I think other things like treasures would make eggcave more fun and entertaining for all ^^.

dionaea • 30 September 2011 at 6:44 AM

@novrain62

Exactly, I thought reconstruction was a good idea since it would make all pets available to everyone with hard work and without the necessity to trade. There could even be an (equally) expensive CC option to make Ian extra money, but I think all pets should be reconstructable for EC. Reintroducing pets would also cap the prices. I mean, what's the fun of this site if you can't even get the pet you really want? And I do understand older users who say not to put these pets back in the cave, but blocking any attempt to give people who joined later a *chance* to get these pets is just mean =.=

EDIT: The Nym is heading in the same direction as the Onny btw, the supply is getting less and less and more and more people want them...

novrain62 • 30 September 2011 at 6:47 AM

@dionaea and there is a lot of meaness here and I am NOT afraid to say it - which is a big reason why more and more people are leaving or don't last more than two days - this should be for ALL not just "oldies"


we also have to remember that this IS virtually still a new site and even in the 9 months that I have been here there have been wonderful improvements - we must be patient - all good things should NOT come to an end! 😱

evilyowling • 30 September 2011 at 6:48 AM

@Anori

Great, 😊
I like the Shifting Idea since a creature won't come out again for like 2 years. It'll give the growing population of new users a small chance. It was a fair bit hard during my newbie days. I joined after the first Creature Release Week and an event didn't happen for ages. I relied on adopting which is kinda sad I hadn't a chance on trading...

I really do like the Shifting idea!

novrain62 • 30 September 2011 at 6:52 AM

@evilyowling - me too 😊

dionaea • 30 September 2011 at 6:52 AM

@novrain62

I know, you see people getting enraged at newbies for asking for rare pets, but that's just unfair, they don't know any better, plus some are really young kids... I always check the account age before deciding how to respond, whether I should just say no or give an explanation and advice too.

metaphor • 30 September 2011 at 6:52 AM

You present some good ideas. I like the idea of bringing back retired eggs much later at an unannounced date. I predict lots of bellyaching on this thread all ready, but really guys, realistically--

There is more than one way for an egg to be rare and well-sought after. Being nearly impossible to achieve is just one situation on that spectrum.😋
There are plenty of sites that never retire rare items for good--eventually, they are brought back. And guess what? They're still worth a great lot! It's just that there are more floating around, but when high in demand, they have no problem finding a buyer.

Also, I think all of this is why I've begun to offer CC creatures for names. One, anyone can get a really killer name in my opinion. You can be new and if the name, say, Rain has cleared because the creature has died (HA, she's immortal, not going to happen, but just theoretically). If the newbie gets it, I know plenty of people who would trade a great deal for it--including myself if I didn't already own it. It's just all about timing, really. Stealing eggs at the right time.

novrain62 • 30 September 2011 at 6:55 AM

@metaphor - you still matter to someone btw
and i'm just learning about this name thing 😱

evolutary • 30 September 2011 at 7:01 AM

Cave creatures aren't 'junk', just because they are common, doesn't mean they can't be appreciated. @anori, you're right, how would you feel if your art was considered 'junk'? I have many cave creatures, and love them all.

It's like the saying 'You don't know how much you like something until it's gone'. If all the common creatures were deleted from the cave, people would want them just because you wouldn't be able to get them anymore.

I remember when Shaibuns were released. Someone asked whether I would trade it for a Salaslyke. I politely refused. But nowadays, if someone said that to someone, they'd probably block and report them.

When there are rare travels in the Travel Agency, people buy every single one. If I see Moontops or FairyWorld, and I already have it, I don't buy it. If I see Seamer City or Autumn/Firestorm Skies, I'd buy one, so then it would give people an opportunity to buy it. I know people buy travels because they really like it or want to put it on multiple creatures; I don't have any objections to that, but if they buy it because it's rare, what's the point?

People want creatures or travels to retire so that they would gain rarity, and because they have it, can trade for rarer creatures. I found that greedy and selfish. Wouldn't you want your creatures or travels to be available?

dionaea • 30 September 2011 at 7:08 AM

@evolutary

That's true, I still have a lot of regular creatures too and some of them are really old too, like my Diablos (recently found out one of em is older than I am O.o, got it from a quitting friend ages ago). Yeah, there are some eggs which I simply don't like (mainly Yeep, Caiman & Rosse), but there are a lot of really beautiful cave creatures, like the Floicol or Nipha...

celeste • 30 September 2011 at 7:21 AM

@anori
Great idea! Hm.... why don't we all create a topic dedicated with advice to helping newbies? Well, or maybe an ettique topic, which could help newbies adjust - even better! Newbies can sign up into a raffle on a certain lot of LEs/ high levelled commons, and then the winner could claim those LEs (and no hard thoughts if they trade the LEs to gain better and better creatures). Even if we are doing this out of kindness, I suppose they could give us a few gifts every now and then, but that's just me XP Great idea! Maybe the Egg Cave Best Friends Club could sponsor this!

balletninja • 30 September 2011 at 7:25 AM

I enjoy this. Ian hasn't either A. Been commenting on these things, or implementing them, or B. Has been working on something big, what can we do?

Time to take it into our own hands? Yes.

celeste • 30 September 2011 at 7:28 AM

@balletninja
What do you think about my idea of newbie raffles from real users?

balletninja • 30 September 2011 at 7:31 AM

@celeste I hesitate only because they may leave but, after like a week of being active on here, that might be good.

anori • 30 September 2011 at 7:33 AM

@celeste I really love that idea! We must do something for new users not scare them away ☹️

@balletninja agreed I think that we must show him that we really care to make eggcave better because it can be better. We need change... fast.

celeste • 30 September 2011 at 7:35 AM

@balletninja @anori
Hm... maybe they should have:
- At least 100 posts
- A Big Sibling from @cafe (don't worry, there are plenty!)
- At least 20 friends
- No recurring drama

This should keep newbies here! (sadly @elysian, my little sibling, quit ☹️) As well as that, that could be sure they won't keep without notice 😸

isablah • 30 September 2011 at 7:36 AM

@anori I really want an easier way for my cave to thrive! I don't have alot of money, so I am not about to spend it all on this. I will always be loyal here but, i'm sorry ian, but I am about to give up! I had a decent cove but then people traded them from me simply for their gain! I found this out later but could not get the creatures back. I think their should be a newbie super pack with five maybe six les or ccs!

balletninja • 30 September 2011 at 7:36 AM

@anori What really bugs me is the cost of CC piling up, I think I am going to give up no my all CC cove, because, it just costs wayy to much, and with people asking for tons for just one CC now, I don't think I can trade.

Also, $15 each month? Ian, Pshhh, I have clothes to buy, shoes, and go to concerts. I rather have that then a cute pixel (not to be rude)

celeste • 30 September 2011 at 7:40 AM

@balletninja
I got all my creature by gifting, trading and quitting (users). I'm glad I haven't been swept up into the expenses. As I'm hardly a fashionable person, I hoard all of my money (or practically no reason) @scorch_cloud222 sadly quit because of the cost of CC (which is where I got a lot of my CCs) Maybe we could have CC reduction coupons, or reduction seasons, for, say, staying on Egg Cave for a certain amount of time, or maybe for feeding? It keeps the community alive and bustling.

anori • 30 September 2011 at 7:40 AM

@celeste Yes and we need more stuff to do here more so this would be very exiting side with lots things to do. That's why I suggested more places with unique egg/treasures and the rest. We need something to keep people going like subeta/valenth/dragoncave and other pet sides ^^

@isablah and about people like you I am talking ! And I don't think that many people would stay If we would ride on CC only like now ;/

@balletninja I can hardly not agree with that not to mention that you actually need to eat ;/.
That's why I want more people to join - if the side will become more user-friendly not CC friendly more will join and people = more CC bought without having us all suffer ☹️

celeste • 30 September 2011 at 7:42 AM

@anori
Got any spare creatures? I'm going to create the lottery soon, and I need donors 😸

balletninja • 30 September 2011 at 7:44 AM

@celeste I might be able to help.

And the asteroid hasn't been making eggs lately. So if anything the rarity needs to be lowered. AGAIN.

celeste • 30 September 2011 at 7:46 AM

@balletninja
That's great! I only have so many LEs I can afford to gift (only about 3-4) and help is much appreciated ❤️ Thanks again! 😊

Deleted • 30 September 2011 at 7:46 AM

I think the value of the eggs should depend on the person. Some people don't like CC items and really like certain cave eggs. So a trade should make it equal worth to the people involved, not what the outside forces say something is worth.

I'm one of those peculiar people who don't like Mos or Tines much. Meaning if I had one, I'd be willing to trade with anybody for what I actually want. Meaning to me, I'd trade (hypothetically) a Tine for a Goblar because I like Goblars a whole lot better than Tines. I don't care that a Tine's worth like 10 rare creatures, If I don't want those creatures why should you have to throw them at me?

We need some CC creatures so Ian doesn't go broke, but I like the idea of having some rare creatures reappear not as CC so we don't have only like 30 floating around and everyone arguing over who gets it and hoarding greedily. Plus lots of people will never get CC.
I agree with @metaphor about names playing a part. It'd be nice for a newb to have awesome names get them something they would never otherwise get without some really nice person giving them one for free.

anori • 30 September 2011 at 7:47 AM

@celeste probably ^^ When I will have some spare high level pets I will PM you (some of mine still need some levels to gain). Also I am constantly supporting users like @blackpipexd that Is adopting out creatures for free.

celeste • 30 September 2011 at 7:49 AM

@anori
Ok! I'll start the donation & raffling event! It's a great opportunity for nice users to give away creatures, and downsize while they're there.

artimus_lan • 30 September 2011 at 8:00 AM

I agree with the Using EC to buy creatures thing. Like the Cella (Sp?) i really liked how it was sorta rare, without having to have CC.

I was thinking that maybe the semi rare creatures could be bought with EC. Ive only read the first few posts of this so if someone already addressed this im sorry lol, but i do support the ideas.

stellie • 30 September 2011 at 8:08 AM

@anori
@novrain62
I agree, and now, instead of people's coves consisting with the creatures of THERE choice, they have the creatures that seem to be more valueable
so there cove is worth more! ☹️ I mean this is out of control! Also people have been tricking newbies so they can take there mo's and such! Just because there newbies and don't know their creature values as well, doesn't mean that we should take advantage of them! @Ian Please help Egg Cave become a Happier Place!

lily- • 30 September 2011 at 8:15 AM

@anori *eyes are totally bleeding after reading every post on this forum*

I also agree with the fact that eggcave needs some change in order for it to prosper and for it to be fairer to newbies and other users as well as those who cannot but CC. I know I haven't been on eggcave for a long time, but I've been here for enough time to see that there needs to some kind of change. When I was a newbie here I hardly had anything, I wouldn't have had much if it wasn't for the help my cousin gave me.

I also think that there should be more events in Eggcave, like a plot or something so that more users would have something to do, for example the Easter and the Halloween events. I wasn't there to take part in any of these, but it would be nice if there were new ones like every month or so, or every season or holiday etc.

I hope there is some kind of change to make Eggcave better and I hope you like my idea😊