Retired Creatures Returning

kittykatmangle • 20 May 2015 at 9:28 PM

Wouldn't it be awesome for all retired creatures (and seasonal ones) to return for a day or week? I mean, all retired and seasonal ones are the cutest! They could all be available in the cave, and you would have unlimited steal attempts that day!

ethereality • 20 May 2015 at 9:37 PM

@alyssafight2
As a veteran on Eggcave, I've seen this idea 500 times already. Yes, it would be nice, but it would mess up the creature values and the trading world in Eggcave. Occasionally, like the Christmas 'Miracle' of 2011, they do re-release creatures though. Keep an eye for these special events!

fakeworld • 20 May 2015 at 9:38 PM

@alyssafight2
Read this topic about bringing back old retired creatures here (don't post, the topic is old). This would never happen, and the main reason as to why would be because of creature value fluctuations. This would create and has more cons than pros. Also, a lot of users believe this would create a chaotic pandemonium within the community as a whole, and could possibly cause corruption due to the majority of the members not supporting this idea.

metaphor • 21 May 2015 at 8:07 AM

Oh boy, the epitome of Egg Cave controversy...

Personally, I don't think re-releases would be OMG SO BAD as lots of people claim. Yeah, they would be if they were done irresponsibly (ie., Tines for everyone every Feb 14th!), but I'm sure there's some way re-releases could be done to make it fair both to newer users and long-time users who collect rare creatures. Everyone created an uproar over that Christmas re-release a couple years ago, but honestly, I don't think those creatures flood the market now any more than they had before the re-release, most likely because the site has grown. And more users = a greater demand for popular rarer creatures.

So as always, I can't say it's a good idea or not without knowing how it'd be implemented. The idea itself is not terrible. I wouldn't cry over a couple more Foos being in circulation. But this really bothers some people.

EDIT: Okay, to address your suggestion in particular:

I'm not sure re-releases every week would be a very good idea. I imagine something more along the lines of what Subeta does with the Token Shop--re-releasing old seasonal items every couple years or so, so that the items stay pretty valuable but not so unobtainable that newer users could never get them. And unlimited steal attempts? No no no no very bad idea. We wouldn't allow that with newer LEs, so we certainly shouldn't allow that with old creatures that are already in circulation.

naked-snakes-box • 21 May 2015 at 10:25 AM

it would be cool but creatures would be less popular

maleficent • 21 May 2015 at 11:30 AM

I play on other sites that do re-releases and it's a good thing. Keeps values in relative perspective which is needed on here. It provides excitement for the players and continued support for the site. The values of those re-released in 2011 are more then fine. Did not hurt their popularity so not sure why people keep stating that as a reason when it was proven other wise 😉

The majority who were against are no longer active. It's not going to happen because the majority on here are greedy and they need to feed that greed.

Deleted • 21 May 2015 at 11:42 AM

*sigh* again this story...

You all know why re-relases can't happen? Because GREEDY people oppose even the idea of it. 'Cuse they say "we spent so much blah blah unfair for us!" so what? They DID CHOOSE to pay a lot for the creature they own, and now they think that for that reason they have the right to prevent younger users to not even have a chance to have a specif creature...

I paid A LOT for my 1st stage oscoa and all, but I wouldn't mind to see them re-relased for their original price, or for higher CC price. 'Cause just because I do have one, I don't think others don't have the right to just 'cause they wouldn't acquire it spending the same I did. I mean... really??? It's like that people started to sell their souls for money IN REAL LIFE, and now they're turning even a fun game into a sort of inferno.
It's like you deprive a person to the right to eat or drink, just 'cause you paid for the food and they can't. What about a starving person who can't pay for food? You'd leave them to die just 'cause you think it's unfair for you, If they get help for free?

People, start gaining you humanity again, instead of turning into those stupid greedy souls...
I support re-relases. And I also think that, If done in a responsible way, they could bring a lot of good to the site itself, since it seems to be needing money this period (all those ads are a proof of that).

Hope @Ian will consider it, someday, instead of being stopped by those greedy people who thinks everything is unfair for them, turning everything into a terrible economy system, instead of taking EggCave as a fun game and feel some helping spirit...

fakeworld • 21 May 2015 at 12:17 PM

@wererage
I understand what you're saying, and I support your perspective, but it's not only about users being greedy, unfair or even close-minded. I believe a lot of people don't support the idea of rerealeases of valuable creatures due to the fact that they feel as though the thrill would be taking away from being able to obtain, and own their goal creature. If that wasn't that case, I would definitely love to see something such as this happen. You have to work for what you want in life, and I feel like that's what you have to do here on Egg Cave in order to get what you want and where want to be. It's just the way things go.

Deleted • 21 May 2015 at 12:28 PM

@fakeworld
I understand that archieving difficult task feels more rewarding (I agree about that myself), but that's not the cause for their anger. Most of them are just greedy. >.<

Like, it's not re-relases have to be something like all the creatues relases for a day, even I would oppose that. But wouldn't you find a nice idea to see a creature's re-relase, for a short amount of time or for a higher price? It's nice to archieve difficult task, but it's bitter to not have the chance to even try to do them. Like, most older creatures are dead (I've saw just one or two macbots eggs around, of course not for trade)... wouldn't it be nice to give younger users a chance to get those creatures (as a difficult task)? It's not like I'm telling re-relases mean free creatures... personally, I think it wouldn't ruin the economy, but the contrary, as it'd make trading for older creature at least more bearable. 😊

scorch_cloud222 • 21 May 2015 at 1:43 PM

@Wererage

I agree with you 100%. I've been on here for a very long time, and I hate that new users have practically no chance to get some of the older creatures. I would rather be part of a community than an economy, personally.

naked-snakes-box • 21 May 2015 at 2:00 PM

@scorch_cloud222
thats a nice reponse its nice that you care

it would be nice to collect some of the old once without having to be ripped of and pay way to much

metaphor • 21 May 2015 at 2:21 PM

@wererage

I applaud everything you said. As I said, re-releases handled with care could actually help the economy here. Everyone cries over the Christmas re-release, but honestly, rarely do I ever see a Foo trading for much less than they were going for before the re-release? If you ever even see one UFT. People think re-releases are so black-and-white, either it happens and florns and tines flood the market or it doesn't happen so that everyone can feel special about owning 1 of, say, 300 creatures.

Deleted • 21 May 2015 at 3:20 PM

@metaphor
Exactly! Foos are still valued a lot! 😊
I joined the day after the re-relase of foos, missing it. I was frustrated, and it took me 3 years to finally be able to get one (for a worth of 2,5k CC), quite recently. I paid a lot, yet I wouldn't mind seeing a foo re-relase for 500 or 1000 CC in the Cash Shop Park.

Sadly, even If, like, 95% of users are positive about a re-relase, and support the idea of it done in a responsible way, the idea won't be even took into consideration, for those who opposes. I think Ian himself can see the potential of re-relases also as a good thing for the site, but can't take it into consideration in fear of those which opposes it and spread their anger everywhere when people try to talk out about re-relases. :/

netherling • 21 May 2015 at 9:21 PM

@alyssafight2
One thing that happens here is people want what they have to be rare and most wanted so they can have a cove to be proud of. They want to show they've been here the longer than a lot of people and etc. Personally there are retired creatures I'd love to have back but you have to apparently work for them. And on this site, by "work" it means either trade half or all of your cove if its rare enough oooor spend about $100 in cave cash =_= its really....difficult. They'll say money went to waste if the creatures are re-released. I guess it will but if I start on that topic it causes people to get mad lol. A lot of the older creatures are disappearing...older users leave sometimes and their coves die. So re releasing some would help with that but there's still a slim chance it'll happen. But there's still a chance.

kittykatmangle • 21 May 2015 at 9:39 PM

@ami_utsukushii

I don't really want a cove to be proud of most, (though that would be nice) I just want adorable creatures! So many of the creatures I see in the archives and start to love are retired, and I would love just a tiny chance to get them. I see some of them I want are at least seasonal, but, I want retired ones and, don't get me wrong, sometimes you have to feed greed, and let it die down some.

immortalraven • 21 May 2015 at 9:40 PM

@wererage
I agree with everything you've said.
Quite frankly I don't think an online critter should cost as much as a real animal + cage + food. Which some on here do. And some are /impossible/ to get though those aren't ones I want which I am so very glad I don't like em but I'm sure some people wants one very badly. There are only two Doovoo eggs that exist that as far as I know of. Those will NEVER be traded which equals no fair chance at all for newer users to get em. I'm not saying they're bad people for not wanting to trade em cause yeah anyone would probably never trade em if they had em.
I've seen newer users just quit because they can't get anything without offering up their soul and seeing older users with so many cool things probably makes em feel like they are nothing and not important. I know I felt kinda like that when I first started. Heck I quit for the few months after I started because yeah some people told me I'd never get the things on my wishlist because I had nothing. Now yeah I knew I had nothing worth those I was smart enough when I started to know that my stuff was common and such and I never even tried offering that stuff on rarer critters, just had a few random people drop by and say that so yeah. Though I came back and worked hard but some of the things I got then were much easier to find than now, now some are like nonexistent

netherling • 21 May 2015 at 9:49 PM

@alyssafight2
Yeah it would be nice >.< but I was saying that's how the older users are. Not all of them but a good amount of them. And immortalraven is wholly right, I left the site a while back because all the creatures I wanted I couldn't get. I ended up forgetting my password and couldn't get back into that account so I lost the creatures I may have still had. But yeah, people want a good about of money for these creatures that you're never going to be able to actually hold and play with like a real creature (which would be cool if we could but yeah lol) but the creatures that are dying off might really need to be brought back so a rare species doesn't completely disappear

veritaspunk • 21 May 2015 at 9:56 PM

@wererage I just don't get why there can't be a clear indication worked out that it's a re-release or 2nd edition etc, for those that want to be "proud" they'll still have the first edition and among the first edition...some will have among the very first obtained ...

I would say it's greed, and in a way it is ... it's like an eggcave caste system... I estimate if I were able to obtain any creature/travel here I'd spend about 15 - 20% more money.

I don't care how much money I had to spend, there's a point where limits has to be set on how much I can spend on pixels, that I only really own through a virtual reality.

For most of us not early enough in the game, we just have to be content with a little enclave amongst the "elite cove owners" that set and dictate the margins.

netherling • 21 May 2015 at 10:13 PM

@veritaspunk You just said exactly what I was thinking. The 1st and 2nd edition thing is a really good idea too honestly, they should think about that. And yeah :/ no one wants to spend 100 or more dollars on pixels. That's a lot of money that could go into something really needed. There should be a limit, or something like an estimated value of every creature showing what it should actually cost if anything. The creature I want the most is a Nym, first stage, and after I asked around I got prices like $80 and $100 and more and I just....nope. Same for an Olimpt which is my second most wanted. It's really crazy.

iceiceice • 21 May 2015 at 10:19 PM

If they are re released similar to how they did with the oasis, I really don't mind it (actually, I think it would be very fun to have that...)

I also don't see why people get....extremely upset over this thing. Upset, I can understand, but people overreacted in my opinion.

For people worried about the economy:
While it seems as though the economy may be ruined, but the economy will eventually stabilize.

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When I look at EggCave now, I see a big gap between "new" users who trying to trade for their wishlist and "old" users who's been here quite a while.

1) Old users who has been here a while have most of their wishlist achieved.
-> Thus, they don't trade as much
-> If they do, they're trading for those "ultimate" dreamies (The ones that you can get once in a blue moon by luck).
-> Ultimate dreamies are difficult to get because they reside in inactive coves or coves that have already been "completed."
-> Old users usually already have the resources to get the current CC critters by themselves.

2) New users enter eggcave with a bunch of commons. Not many people are searching for commons.
-> Yes, it's possible for them to build up their cove to a certain extent, but it's difficult for them to get anywhere beyond that without any help.
-> old users are trading their valuable critters to get more valuable critters
-> new users who are looking for the old users 'valuable' critters are unable to obtain them because they do not have the "more valuable critters" the old users are looking for

Older users looks for even older critters -> older critters are rarely in circulation anymore -> new users have a difficult time trading because old users who are trading valuable critters are normally looking for even more valuable critters = trade stagnant. Cycle continues.

Give a chance for people to have retired critters. *a chance* so it can give a little boost in trading. Nothing happens in the trade center much anymore because people don't want to trade and can't get they want...

Re-release critters (you don't even have to make them common or permanently make them available) can probably close the gap. New users get a chance to trade to get what they need. Some old people will leave, newbies people will come in, "new" players will take the old players spot.
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Excuse my rambling. I digressed and went into a different topic completely.....I'm not even sure if it made sense. x_x yay econ.

mrsgiggles • 22 May 2015 at 2:57 AM

How many "ultimate" dreamies are there? Most of the existing Doovoos, for example, are in one single account, and that person obviously won't trade them away. Same with Macbots. Etc. And most of the owners don't come on often anymore.

It's releasing a retired pet and making many people happy, or not releasing any and keeping a few people who don't even come on often happy.

I'm not sure why this is such a tough decision to make 😊

Deleted • 22 May 2015 at 5:25 AM

I absolutely agree with all the previous posts...
I mean, I find absurd that the idea won't even taken into consideration for the sake of those who oppose it, just because, for them, nothing is fair, even If they have a cove full of rares and CSPs... they wouldn't give a chance to a newbie to get one or two older creatures just 'cause, yeah, they think it's "unfair for them" ... I've heard enough of this story.

Please, let this topic not go unnoticed again.
I know you said you won't make re-relases happens, but please, at least read those posts, and try to see that they makes sense, Ian. The site itself needs re-relases and anything, If done responsible, can bring not only profit, but also a more serene, happy mood around here, leading newer users to not quit just after a week, discovering EggCave is now nothing but a terrible economy system. :c

metaphor • 22 May 2015 at 8:17 AM

Exactly. Let the unhappy people leave. They did it before, and EC still survived. I know it might seem blunt, but truthfully, a site can't grow if it continuously caters to the, what, 5% who want to protest just to feel special. I was here when EC still had a green background and names were still plentiful, lol. I've bought CC. I've traded a lot for my Onny, but that didn't matter much to me because I already bought a lot with real money and was able and willing to trade some of what I had for something I wanted even more. A lot of people aren't so lucky, whether because they are new or can't buy CC just to buy a pretty pixel--or both. I can see EC being really off-putting to new users simply because the community gives off a somewhat hierarchical, "pay-to-play" vibe when I know and many other users know isn't the intention of the site at all.

When you haveover 400 creatures on a site, and less than half of them are and will ever be available to new users unless they want to fork over well over 100 bucks...I think there may be a problem. I can understand a couple super-rare-exclusive creatures that are hard to obtain. But imagine a new user's frustration when they go through the archives and realize that most of the creatures they like will never be available to them unless they want to over-over-over offer. I would be discouraged. To be honest, I was kind of discouraged when I first joined--and there were fewer creatures then. Many of the sought-after LEs were still relatively new and more were in circulation. I was able to get both my Tine and Florn for way less than you would be able to now. and I was too enamored by all my names to be too discouraged, lol. But still...I agree with @wererage that the attitude toward re-releases should be rethought again. There is a way to make it fair for everyone.

marae19 • 22 May 2015 at 4:29 PM

I'm relatively new myself (I joined in February), and there are so many cute creatures that I would love to have, but know I most likely will never have. I don't have a lot of real life money to spend on CC, so any creatures that are traded for CC will never be mine, and I just hit my first million EC, so I won't be able to buy really old creatures.
I would love a rerease of some creatures, just to get a chance of obtaining some of them. Just for a day or maybe to that they'd be available in the cave, but not with infinite steal attempts, like the original poster suggested, because that would just cause chaos. If that were the case, everyone would keep getting more and more of those now retired eggs, and they would almost be commons. Just the normal cave times, and just a chance of obtaining them would be good enough. Maybe say one rerelease a month, just like the 'double/triple feed day', slowly rereleasing those creatures one by one, just for a day.
And sure, initially the prices would probably decrease, but slowly but surely they'll rise again, because some creatures will die, and more and more users will join. And there's a big chance that a lot of those creatures will end up on accounts that won't be used anymore, like the case is now.
So, I think it would be a good idea, but it has to be done responsibly.

netherling • 22 May 2015 at 6:32 PM

@marae19
They should honestly take a vote from every active user on the site to see what the majority opinion is on bringing retired creatures back.

marae19 • 22 May 2015 at 6:34 PM

@ami_utsukushii
That sounds like a great idea! That way the staff can get a clear view of what the users want, and can use that to their advantage.

tetraethylammonium • 23 May 2015 at 8:24 PM

I agree with the previous posts, it's not just the fact that the gap between older and newer users is enormous. Egg cave is getting too competitive and too much about trading. I recall there was a forums topic discussing the old egg cave and how it was more like "Hi how was your day" as oppose to "Is ___ UFT?". If you look in the archives, 78/405 creatures remain available as of now, and only about 5 will ever gain value (the monthlies and the buzzle which is still listed as "available". Maybe some cave creatures will become endangered but even so, the number is few). So only value gaining creatures can be obtained without trading or buying CC by new users. In addition, Cave monthlies gain value pretty slowly, it might be 2-3 years before a cave monthly is worth a decent amount of CC. Rereleasing, as long as it's controlled wouldn't ruin the economy like some people think, this game is about having fun not competition. Besides, even it it was about competition, it would be a one-sided one, dominated by older users and CC buyers. There should be no reason to pay $100+ for something that really wouldn't impact your life that much.

In short, rereleasing some creatures would be a good idea, but probably not every few weeks or with unlimited steal attempts. If too many of rare creatures appear, to the point where they become almost common that would truly be unfair to people who spent money or tons of time on this game. Also it might ruin the fun cause if everything is so easily obtainable than whats the point?

veritaspunk • 23 May 2015 at 9:11 PM

@tetraethylammonium Creature Release week would be an appropriate time to release old and new creatures that were once available through the cave.

As for Past LE/Event creatures they could release them with upcoming games relevant to now. They could set an amount to how many you could get, perhaps controlling the distribution to something like the Advent Tree, and only releasing a certain year ... like 2011 or 2013 ... like what they do with the site trivia questions it seems.

It really is endless how they could release them, no matter how many the "2nd editions" were released.

I mean heck there could be even a plot around the mysterious asteroid and the SAR center .. you know maybe a tie-in theme like we hear about bringing the dinosaurs back, what if they could bring back certain creatures it could involve games, EC, other items ... maybe even account activity etc.


Something, anything to further site engagement ... meanwhile still recognizing the original players and the original/1st editions

lucid • 23 May 2015 at 9:28 PM

You know what, I think releasing creatures in limited quantities would be a good idea.

Like it or not, the core circle of user who do have all the rares and stuff is shrinking. New users can't really get any where and quit. Egg Cave can't keep pandering to that small group of people. Honestly, it wouldn't really "ruin" the economy.

Again, people shouldn't get that upset over a couple of pixels. Besides, it's more fun that way.

veritaspunk • 23 May 2015 at 10:23 PM

@lucid The polarization as indicated by the poll at least, baffles me. Where to meet in the middle may be the central difficulty.