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Ian • 1 February 2024 at 9:30 PM

@pipkitten pretty much this. And also, it’s always worked this way at Egg Cave. Nothing’s changed.

It’s concept art. If you need it to be yours, please keep it for you, your site, and your blog only. We are happy to respect that.

pipkitten • 1 February 2024 at 9:15 PM

As the suggester of several creatures (common, LE, and CSP), I'm just going to toss in my two cents here.

I've always known that my art is simply a concept drawing, not what the end product is going to look like.
It's *not* something I would EVER expect a hired artist for the site to replicate 1...

okami • 1 February 2024 at 8:53 PM

I am very glad that moving forward, artists will now be provided the user text along with concept art. I was surprised to hear that those text notes/descriptions weren’t being provided prior, it explains several image to description consistencies I’ve noticed, but I think it will be a massively posi...

endrolled • 1 February 2024 at 8:26 PM

i don't think i have much of anything to contribute here for the time being, but i just wanted to say i'm really glad this is a discussion that is being had. i get the feeling that some of this had been a building issue for a long time now, and though i may have only been a member of the site for un...

heatherm19 • 1 February 2024 at 8:00 PM

@Ian Honestly, thank you so much for responding here and being willing to explain things and hear people out.

If you are open to sending the user notes along with the image (which is an awesome change that definitely seems like it could help), would you be at all open to notifying the creator if...

mindwhiper • 1 February 2024 at 8:00 PM

@Ian it's really, really good to hear that something has changed for the better. I'm not saying that a perfect copy is better than a flight of fantasy, I'm pointing out that the self-realization of the authors of creatures through the site is also very important. This is creativity, the process of c...

jlya • 1 February 2024 at 7:37 PM

I am neutral in this topic but I just wanted to say thank you yet again to @ian for hearing your players and finding compromises to help please all parties. Site staff could so easily just "turn off" from all the negativity. You can't make everyone happy but I so appreciate the constant efforts to m...

mami • 1 February 2024 at 7:26 PM

To anyone complaining about their suggested concept art not getting made into a perfect carbon copy by an artist who might not even know what EggCave is, all the while getting their idea made into something real on a pretty big site for free which is a honor you don't even have a chance for on most...

mindwhiper • 1 February 2024 at 6:01 PM

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...maybe we all should ask Ian to to clarify what the suggestions is, to get another unclear answer, like everything on this site, and just be more careful about the fact that users are also authors like an artists?...

UPD:

I'm starting to think that lately people have started t...

prairie • 1 February 2024 at 5:58 PM

@kataclysm
No, no reason in particular. Ian could definitely choose to add more detail if he sees fit. He just might not see fit.
I know that sounds like a bummer; but again; as per TOS rules (which every artist should be aware of) "User suggestions, upon submission, become property of Egg Cave a...

heatherm19 • 1 February 2024 at 5:41 PM

@lexicon "what the very insanely talented eggcavers create, to me, is more than a mere suggestion. they are creations born from the pure love of eggcave and wanting to bring to life something that adds to the lore of EC! "

I think this is what it comes down to in my eyes. I don't really want to g...

kataclysm • 1 February 2024 at 5:25 PM

This sounds to me like a quick solve to the matter of artists going off of a very brief ... Brief, would be for them to be given the entire listing to read and reference? @prairie , based on your experience, is there a valid reason that Ian elects not to share the description and info written by use...

prairie • 1 February 2024 at 4:55 PM

@dragrawr
Alright.
"It’s just been two months in a row of people feeling disappointed and or disheartened over their suggestions being used and it’s quite saddening to see" - It does stink that people aren't happy. However I'll take the low blow and say: [i]you put the suggestion up for th...

lexicon • 1 February 2024 at 4:03 PM

ya know this whole thing is making me rethink the very basis of "what is a creature suggestion?" LOL

to me, a suggestion is- hey, wouldn't it be cool if there was a green 3-headed mole creature? the EC artist can then take that and run with it and no one would be upset with the outcome provided i...

dragrawr • 1 February 2024 at 3:38 PM

@prairie I totally get that, I know about the whole 90x90 but things can be done to keep the design. I think asking for a certain artist isn’t that much, especially considering eggcave makes profit off our designs and will be on the site forever. I think that’s pretty small of a request. It’s okay i...

prairie • 1 February 2024 at 3:05 PM

@dragrawr
If you ask me. Asking for a SPECIFIC artist to draw your creature which is a suggestion Ian can implement any time..... is lowkey shadow commissioning; just with benefit to the site.
Suggestions in any way are kinda shadow commissioned (Ian being the inbetween), its just in the...

prairie • 1 February 2024 at 1:37 PM

Going to put a few statements I voiced in the Blog here too; for the sake of it.

I totally get the want for Creature Suggestor's Suggestions to be close to their original concept; however. As an artist who does artwork for sites like Eggcave, I do have opinions on how hard people are press...

ashlinnhi • 1 February 2024 at 10:47 AM

This is definitely an important discussion to be had and I'm glad it's been brought up. Of course, it's still necessary to acknowledge and respect the hard work of the site artists, whether we're happy with final results or not — in the end, we don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

With that...

katze • 1 February 2024 at 8:25 AM

I just resently came back to the site and I resurrected some of my eggs... one of which is a Snowby...

was wondering what they are worth...
[img]https://carton.eggcave.com/eggs/2794662.png[/img]

thx

kataclysm • 1 February 2024 at 8:23 AM

I agree - there needs to be a bit of a rethink around suggestions being made into actual creatures. In many cases, it seems as though EC users are putting a lot of passion into designing their creatures mindfully. Users aren't just throwing out 'wouldn't it be cool if we had a fish that was also a v...

opalquinze • 1 February 2024 at 8:04 AM

i’ll admit that as much as i don’t mind this artist doing these suggestions for this month, i feel like there could’ve been some feedback between the staff/site artist with the creator if said changes were acceptable. it’s understandable that the artist can’t show much of the progress to the creator...

ida92 • 1 February 2024 at 5:13 AM

Hello!

I felt like addressing what has been going on the comments uder the Site Blog post. I would like to start with asking everyone to remain respectful. We want a construtive discussion, not a hate spill.

I also want to mention that I greatly respect @Ian and all the Egg Cave team for all...

prairie • 1 February 2024 at 12:04 AM

It is Month 2 of 2024, and once more its all user suggestions.


On a separate note; given some people being a bit focused on final designs:

REMINDER:
this topic is not about site artists improving the way they do their drawings from suggestions, We Aren't In Charge Of That. You want t...

heatherm19 • 31 January 2024 at 6:37 AM

@margaretschi Welome to Eggcave, hope you enjoy it here! There is a nice user-made Newbie's Guide if you want a basic rundown of the site's features. 😊

odorable1 • 31 January 2024 at 12:23 AM

@twinkle
Thank you! I will definitely be here. 😃 I'm loving this site! I just wish I knew about long time ago. ><

opalquinze • 30 January 2024 at 10:46 PM

think i recall stumbling upon one of the site artists’ cove here a while back (they did the art for the Flowerfur as stated on their bio), but i’ve forgotten what their username was and from their recent wall posts, they haven’t been on for a few years… don’t remember how i even found ‘em, guess i j...

heatherm19 • 30 January 2024 at 1:39 PM

I remember being so confused when I first joined, coming from a petsite where artist credits are Important and very visible. It really does seem weird, there is SO much amazing art on this site but the only 'credit' ever given is to users for concept or description.

kataclysm • 30 January 2024 at 8:13 AM

I feel like the ability to reroll a daily quest for x amount of EC would be such a nice feature. Especially when we're on day 3 (?) of profile comments.

Some other thoughts I've been chewing on recently but don't have time to trawl through 20+ pages of conversation to see if we've already brough...

kataclysm • 30 January 2024 at 8:08 AM

@lifeform42 I always found the adoption page to be weirdly aggressive as well. 'Creatures are for LIFE', okay... So... I'm just supposed to keep pets in my cove where they might die if I can't get a magic leaf? That's a better alternative to rehoming them through an adoption centre? The narrative is...

daisycat • 27 January 2024 at 9:49 PM

@dragrawr
Oh crab! Please accept my apologies, I missed that you wrote the description! It's definitely beautiful. ❤️
We have a lot of fierce dragons on this site, so to have more dragons, and have them be complementary to the fierce ones, is very needed! It's nice to have a variety. ^^ I'd love...