Update With CaveCash Gifting

magenta • 22 April 2013 at 8:59 AM

@Frosted At least you have 25 000 CC :C

Deleted • 22 April 2013 at 9:03 AM

@poof
Yeah. 25k of useless CC. I would like to have 4 Nyms in place of that. Meh.

I completely agree with @yts. Only those who gone through those sufferings would know that.

@id2d
It should actually be CC as the top one. That is why partiality is shown to the CC buyers through the new V2 beta profiles which arent given to those who earned their CC.

I fully disagree with your point 1. EC staff would never do it as they wont get any profits through that. Nobody would want CC then. It would be boring, and a waste for the CC buyers.

Yeah, point 2 is the best opinion, but CC gifting has been blocked, and CC cant be implemented in the TC due to the loss of the profit motive of the site, if done so, as it would make CC easily obtainable. But that would never happen, so yeah.

I've been a fool to accumulate 25k of CC to be rather pushed off away. Crap. The heck with it. -_-

shelby • 22 April 2013 at 9:04 AM

@frosted

You should have reported them for defaming you, and saying bad things. That would have stopped the problem rather quickly.

@Ian
Perhaps there could be something implemented that if you have someone blocked, they cannot view your profile to prevent people from stalking profiles and then "stealing" trades from people.

Also threats aren't allowed.
This is why rules are in place. So that if someone breaks them, you can report them and then action can be taken against the person breaking the rules. It's to help keep the site safe and fun.

@yts
It won't be impossible. It might just be a challenge to get them.

@id2d
The staff has taken this into consideration already. Of people saying "Freezes only!" on trades. So they are talking about different ways to make it possible for everyone to get CSP items, even if they cannot buy CC.

If CC were obtainable without buying it, people would just use the alternative way always. And then just save up and save up. Then no one would ever buy CC and the site would lose income which is needed to keep the site running.

yts • 22 April 2013 at 9:05 AM

@frosted
I worked so hard to accumulate CC to get my wishlist creatures...

Deleted • 22 April 2013 at 9:08 AM

@frosted You should really not complain with a cove like yours. I feel sorry for those with small coves with almost no worth though.

I dont complain either. Sure, Ill need to get used to it. Yes, I have an odd amount of CC. And yes, I dont like it to much either. But Im willing to give it a try. And yes, if I dont like it Ill most likely leave. But not yet. Give it a chance~

@ian Is there any way this would be undone if stuff restores itself?

magenta • 22 April 2013 at 9:14 AM

This is my opinion but is was kind of better with CC trading , I depended on CC trading for a better cove , but without it I might as well go into a hole and die .-.

Deleted • 22 April 2013 at 9:33 AM

@Ian

Although I like it, it seems like now, to obtain CC, there is no other way than to buy the CC. How are we supposed to do CC trades??

takaedakumi • 22 April 2013 at 9:43 AM

~Comment deleted to prevent further arguments~

Deleted • 22 April 2013 at 9:45 AM

That was short notice!
Being a new user that never purchased CC before, this change will definitely make trading fair to everyone. I agree with a few that mentioned CSP being overpriced though, but I wouldn't mind spending some of my hard earned money if those prices were lowered. 😉
I understand Egg Cave needs to make a profit somehow. Adding a few more small ads might help? Lower CC prices, include more variety to the shop? Monthly/annual membership that offers retired/exclusive pets as one of the perks?

I'm curious to see what the effects are and how the staff plans to improve the site. Currently, obtaining lots of EC is time consuming, especially for people with slow internet, and extremely limited for newer users who only have access to commons. I think users having their own shops would be great! Shops would help decrease scamming and make earning EC (maybe even CC??) easier.
But anyways....Can't wait!!!

elluwah • 22 April 2013 at 9:50 AM

Literally just read through every comment in this topic to see what the feedback is like, and I really wish I hadn't. The amount of panic and frustration this has caused is awful.

This has been mentioned before, but really, I don't know what people expect. CC was never tradeable, it was 'giftable'. You gave it to somebody. That's all that feature was for. But then it became something that people relied upon heavily and it practically devoured the trade center.

It seems to be forgotten that CC is not a requirement on this website. You don't need to own CC to be a part of the community, to trade, to collect creatures, etc. Sure, it's almost impossible to get those old dream creatures you may want, but it was bound to happen eventually when said creatures find their permanent home (because, surprise surprise, not everybody trades).

Personally, I love this feature. Having a reduction from three to two CS monthlies is WONDERFUL, and an addition of two cave monthlies means there's something for everyone. Couldn't be happier with the news, and I look forward to June.

sprite • 22 April 2013 at 9:55 AM

I'm merely stating my opinion and not debating. Ian or a Mod can be the ones to clear things up since I already read what is stated and they know more details 😉

Before CC option was even implemented people were able to trade for CC creatures. You either bought them before hand and placed in the TC or made a topic stating you could buy them before buying. People who did not have CC were able to trade for the CC creatures or not. Same with the CC option either you could trade for it or not.

I don't prefer trading for CC due to the fact I can buy it when funds allow. I'm ok with that 😊 Which is good cause now I'm not stuck with a large amount expressly for trading, owe people or they owe me, etc. Big headache that is not Egg Caves responsibility. Trading is a risk and all pixels belong to the site. Never trade for what will make you unhappy in the end. Hard lesson learn for many here. Which I'm glad I learned years ago from playing online games.

Not a re-trader I like to trade for permanent creatures in my cove. So to me the CC option makes people like me harder to trade with cause we are not interested in trading for CC 😊 Sure, I traded a few times for CC but in the end never liked it.

In regards to being able to see the new profiles due to buying CC many sites have perks added for Cash options. Not like the option is not going to be available for every one so that is a moot point for me.

Scamming existed before and after the CC option started so clearly something more needs to be done.

Agree or not again I'm not debating 😉 I have been here for 3 years and to me this is yet another change that I'll stick through lol I'm all for making the economy better and hopefully it is not too late.

Orderedchaos • 22 April 2013 at 9:57 AM

@rushingwater You're not. CC was never meant to be traded. The gifting option was instated for just that purpose, to gift, not to trade. People have been abusing the gift feature in order to trade CC. This created a huge imbalance in the economy as it became very very difficult to trade unless you had access to CC.

Now trading will go back to the way it was. People trading creatures/EC for other creatures that they want. If you want a CSP monthlie you'll have to trade creatures for it. With the addition of non-CSP monthlies this means that trade for creatures will actually become a bit easier.

Deleted • 22 April 2013 at 10:01 AM

@shelby
I know a site which runs with less than $50 a month. EC would just easily get more than $100 a month.

@elluwah
What about those who have Macbots and Doovoos? Would anyone give them for EC? They'll do it, for about a billion EC or so. Those who have awesome coves, dont have a bit to worry about it. Think about the new, people whose cove are worth nothing.

@poof
I care for the other newbies, like yts, who are struggling, and could get a cove like mine, but their opportunity has been destroyed by this useless update.

@yts
I completely agree. Even though, I have a good cove, I want to care for others, as I had been in that state when I joined, and had to go through a lot of hardships to get CC.

Already the CC - buyers are getting partiality from EC, and this is just unrightful injustice to those who earn their CC, and a luxury for those who buy CC, as they could make profits over profits.

@takatheeducatedkid
I would have given a buck to get that comment in my hands xDD I usually dont argue over opinions, I just agree/disagree. I think so that you did that in my favor, I guess. But this new update, is just useless. Giving undesirable liberty to CC buyers, and more hardships for those who want to earn CC without spending real money on pixels.

takaedakumi • 22 April 2013 at 10:02 AM

I got amusement out of picturing this topic as "trench warfare". Yes, the CaveCash trench on one side, and the EggCoin trench on the other. Then you have the poor people stuck in the middle that are caught in the crossfire. xD

yts • 22 April 2013 at 10:09 AM

@frosted
you at least have a really good cove...
Now egg cave is for reach...

Deleted • 22 April 2013 at 10:12 AM

I have taken the time to read most of the comments posted here.... WOW lol.

My feelings on this change are not so different from the ones posted here already, so I won't take up too much space to restate them 😉.

Although I will say that I think this is a good change, but it needs to be done with care and thought to every user. I'm confident that @Ian , @orderedchaos , and the rest have the ability to figure everything out 😉.

I also agree that the resurrection stones and freezes and such should be tradeable and/or purchasable with ec and I agree with the cc/ec converter (I have 80cc lol)

Deleted • 22 April 2013 at 10:12 AM

@takatheeducatedkid
The supporters of this government, the opposers, and the people caught in between.

The supporters have AKs, and sub machine guns, but the opposers have bazookas xD I feel like making an art, but yeah, it would insult the topic

@orderedchaos
Does it mean that CC would be unobtainable now? That the people who dont ever buy CC would never have it on hand, unless they had it before this new update?

No offense over anything, but I personally dislike this...

takaedakumi • 22 April 2013 at 10:17 AM

@frosted

Maybe you should let everything work out before you argue about the whole thing. The changes aren't complete yet so how do you know it's all bad? (:

Deleted • 22 April 2013 at 10:25 AM

For those who have odd numbers of CC, there should be a EC to CC converter created [temporarily] offering 10k EC per 1 CC, so that they could use their extra CC in that.

Make sure that this feature would be for a week only, else people would start using it.

And the freezes, and items would be implemented in the TC, thats it 😊

I guess they wont happen

xD

elluwah • 22 April 2013 at 10:26 AM

@frosted
People could offer me a thousand billion EC for any creature in my cove (any, including commons!) and I would turn them down. Because as far as I'm concerned, I've found my permanent creatures, and I'm not advertising them out anyway.

I was just trying to make a point that old creatures will eventually run out because there's less of them to go around, and offering CC isn't something that will instantly change that. People should do their best to look out for new, more 'available' creatures. And with the addition of two cave monthlies and a reduction in the CS ones, it just seems like this will help improve the economy for the majority.

You are right though, people with awesome coves don't have to worry about this. But coves always have to start somewhere. Why is a cove that's starting out now not going to be awesome with a couple of years of dedication? I just think that new users shouldn't instantly think that they deserve amazing coves. Things like that you have to work for. Without the ability to gift CC anymore, it just means they've got to earn their coves through a method that differs from what people have been using the past few months. It worked in the past, and I can't see how it won't work in the future either. 😊

mairbear • 22 April 2013 at 10:29 AM

@Ian
@orderedchaos

Hmm... after reading through some comments, I'm not sure about these cave monthlies. Will they be purchasable with EC or will they just be in the cave? My first impression is the former and I hope that is the case... or else this would be pointless.

IF the cave monthlies are to be purchased with EC. This is a good thing 😊

Deleted • 22 April 2013 at 10:37 AM

@elluwah
The reduction of monthlies and addition of cave monthlies, is a good idea. I also agree with that, but the disablement of the CC gifting feature would be affecting the eggconomy in adverse ways.

@mairbear
They would be purchasable with EC, I assume so, as I seen some people support each, but I dont know the fact about it xD
I wish they were free, as I dont have time to spend time feeding creatures to get EC.

@takatheeducatedkid
I feel like quitting. But I think I'll get used to it, until all my CC finishes.

@magenta
I have an exact of 24850CC. Its all down the drain. Crap...

metaphor • 22 April 2013 at 10:38 AM

Are we really complaining about having too much CC here? Really?

boxofcrayons • 22 April 2013 at 10:39 AM

I think this is a fantastic idea and I am so glad that it has been implemented. 😊 I know that the EC economy will pickup, and I don't think it will be as hard as some users are suggesting to get CC creatures and items. There have always been people with CC who are willing to trade and freeze and such for others (like myself on a number of pre-gifting occasions). Long live eggcave 😊

neko-chan • 22 April 2013 at 10:39 AM

I kind of like this idea even if I like trading CC X3

But someone wants a CSP and can't get it then why don't they do it the way we did before CC gifting? ._.

You give the creature or EC to someone that can buy CSP and then that person buys it.;3

Deleted • 22 April 2013 at 10:44 AM

@metaphor
Its like my CC went down the drain. I was planning to buy a Rie, and.. um. a Gobbler [1st stage]

@neko-chan
CC is now unobtainable for those who never buy it, lol.

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I guess that everyone likes the idea. Well, I'm not bugging anybody over it, though the majority of the people who like it would be able to buy CC, just wait a while, and think of those new users who join, and cant get CC, due to various reasons. They are completely helpless. Be thoughtful, EC was supposed to be a friendly community in which everyone resides with harmony. This created a real warfare, this wasnt even needed.

univea • 22 April 2013 at 10:44 AM

😊 Thank you @Ian.

Deleted • 22 April 2013 at 10:49 AM

@neko-chan I agree 😉

On the note of trading cc creatures, maybe a cc creature from last month could b worth a cc creature from this month and an le? Or a few les? I've never been very clear on the CREATURE worth of critters... XD

boxofcrayons • 22 April 2013 at 10:49 AM

@frosted I see you weren't here before the gifting feature, and I think you might be discounting something. On the day new CC creatures are released, people who can't get CC tend to be a little crazy for them. If you (as a person with CC) buy one or two just for trade, they can go for very high prices. I don;t think your CC has gone down the drain at all, and I don't think it is unfeasible for you to be able to still buy a Rie and a Gobbler.

Also, new people are not going to be helpless. Especially with the addition of the cave monthlie. They will do it the old way, and build up the value of their cove with LE's, until they can afford a CC creature 😊

Deleted • 22 April 2013 at 10:53 AM

@boxofcrayons
But if someone says that they would sell their Gobbler for 10 monthlies [example] and I offer that, and then they reject the trade. What would I do with the monthlies then?

Actually, CC should be implemented in the TC. But if a site has profit motive, they'd never do that. 😋