Update With CaveCash Gifting

cosmicbrambleclaw • 22 April 2013 at 7:29 PM

@Ian sounds like a good idea 😸 I personally like the "Cave monthlies" idea because its a bit difficult to get all 3 cash shop monthlies (cept for that fluke we discussed)

I had a couple ideas on the matter about converting EC into cavecash for those that cant buy it (I have a thread on it if you feel like digging deeper) and someone suggested that you could only do it like once a month and the minimum amount of something like 100 thousand EC for something like 50 cave cash maybe, and since it would only be once a month that would limit the amount gotten by players that cant buy their own, and if they save up they could get the cash shop monthlies or other things maybe 😸

just a thought, my thread is always available through my page

tikimaki • 22 April 2013 at 7:37 PM

@orderedchaos @Meteoroid

Just wondering if you will come up with a way to trade CC items like freezes, Resurrection stones etc..

Also for users like me who are not allowed to purchase CC how can I get the items I listed above. I think it would be helpful if you made another trade center or something just for CC items.

Now that you can't gift CC you have to try and and trade for it and put your trust in others. So really even though this is trying to be made out as "good" and that it will reduce scamming it doesn't really, it kinda increases the possibility and chances of it.

jaguar • 22 April 2013 at 7:42 PM

Are you all so blind! This update isn't here to prevent scamming or to repair the so called economy. It's only been put in place to generate more revenue and profit for the website! He's hoping that because you can't gift CC you'll have to purchase CC.

Crafty and well masked by saying it's to help EC currency and all, but it's pretty obvious.

icymuffin • 22 April 2013 at 7:43 PM

@jaguar

Do tell me, why do you say that? What lead you to believe this?

Meteoroid • 22 April 2013 at 7:44 PM

@tikimaki
To be completely honest, I am not entirely sure of the exact details, but we are tossing around the idea of CC Items being able to be put in the Inventory at least. Everything you mentioned is being discussed amongst the staff for the possibility of being implemented. This is only the second day since the announcement, so a lot of things are still up in the air at this point. This thread is very helpful in gauging the reactions of many members on Egg Cave and how they personally feel about it.

I apologize for any and all members who feel bothered from this update, but all I can really suggest is to stick around for further updates on this matter.

Orderedchaos • 22 April 2013 at 7:45 PM

@tikimaki Its already been stated many times that we are looking into this, and we might make freezes and such tradable items.

This is taking trading back to what it was before gifting CC was introduced, which just over a year ago. Its actually removing a large chance to get scammed. There have been several scammers, who were caught and deleted, who operated by promising CC for creatures and then never sending it. Now that can't happen. Trading will now be be one (or more) creature for another. Which is a lot safer. Freezes and things we are still working on.

ems • 22 April 2013 at 7:45 PM

Wow. O.O

This thread exploded. Very quickly... Not really surprised though. 😋

I think some of us need to cool off--think before you post, no? ^^

This is really a great change in a lot of ways.

I can't buy CC, but I'd trade all the CC I could get from trading so that I'd have an easier way to get my dream critters. Frankly, I HATED CC trading! Except when it benefitted me. cx 'Course, who wouldn't?

What I'm saying though, is the day the gifting was taken away, all the trading threads (the recent ones) I was remotely interested in were ONLY CC OFFER trades. _ _" Sorry guys, but this is the way it must be.

Users wanted CC, but didn't want to trade it. So even with CC trading, I was having an EXTREMELY hard time getting a hold of it. :/ I actually had stopped trading for the longest time--gave up on my dream cove, really--because I couldn't find someone trading what I wanted for creatures or EC. Just CC. I was frustrated... For a really long time.

So, I actually am loving this more than hating it. I've thought alot about it from the first time I've posted, and while I am no longer able to get freezes (which, is REALLY frustrating), I think I'm better off, with this.

People with TONS of CC can pretty much get whatever they want. 😋 Lucky, in my opinion. You can have any CSP from now or the future... I'd LOVE to have a ton of CC right now. XD Those of you complaining about having too much CC? Really now? Do you even know what some users would do for that? XD

Anyways, I see no reason to complain about tons of extra CC, or even this update. c:

meixiaotian • 22 April 2013 at 7:48 PM

@jaguar I don't think that would do anything. When gifting/trading CC, someone still has to buy the CC, and when they removed this feature, it might even decrease the amount coming in, since there's not a demand for it anymore.

tikimaki • 22 April 2013 at 7:50 PM

@Meteoroid
Thanks for replying. I was just about to give up on response. 😋

OK, thanks for letting me know. It will be interesting to see where this goes from here. The inventory idea sound really interesting. This topic certainly has gotten some debate on opinions from users.

Just subscribed so I can stay posted. XD

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@jaguar
Hmm... Cool theory. I think it will help Ian generate more money as you said but I do not believe it was the sole purpose. Same question as @icymuffin really.

icymuffin • 22 April 2013 at 7:52 PM

@tikimaki
You're a funny kid.
You talking to yourself? c;

Or are you just tossing about random accusations in hopes of starting a riot?


I really shouldn't be doing this, I admit.
But really. I can't even begin to comprehend this. Why all the fuss. Do a favor: take a step back and reason through this plan.

jaguar • 22 April 2013 at 7:56 PM

@icymuffin @meixiaotian @tikimaki
Sorry for the late reply.

Icymuffin - Only because now that you can't trade or gift it the only way to obtain pure CC is to now buy it.

Meixiaotian - Possibly, though let's just come up with a scenario. Let's just say that 3 main users on egg cave were purchasing CC and this was being traded throughout users and that the majority of the CC was being sourced by them. Now that the 3 sources can't provide this CC to be traded though out the system of users, the users themselves will have to supply themselves with CC.

tikimaki - Read the one for icymuffin.

tikimaki • 22 April 2013 at 8:00 PM

@orderedchaos
OK. Thanks again for letting me know.

@icymuffin
Thanks I guess. 😋
Sometimes in my sleep I do.

Look the last thing I want is a riot. If you like I will remove myself from this topic. I don't want be the one which forces users to quit or to make people upset by offending them. So if I did offend you in any way I am truly sorry and apologize for what I did.

I will take your early advise and wait to see where this goes.

icymuffin • 22 April 2013 at 8:02 PM

@jaguar
@tikimaki
I can see that. But you still haven't told me how that leads you to the idea that Ian is scamming us all?

Oh and no need to tell yourself what you already know your own thoughts, silly c;


But don't ask me, I can't stop you. 😊

jaguar • 22 April 2013 at 8:05 PM

@icymuffin
I didn't say it was a scam I was just stating it that this update will help the site of Egg Cave get more money.

Oh and tikimaki is not me. If there was a way to prove it I would have already done it by now to proven myself to you.

meixiaotian • 22 April 2013 at 8:15 PM

@jaguar
I think if they could get it with real money, they would instead of using another person, but I do see how they wouldn't have to spend any money before.
I'm clueless when it comes to almost everything practical, so you could be right, but CC existed before the gifting feature, so I don't think that's the reason.

chapus • 22 April 2013 at 8:16 PM

@ems *applauds* I totally agree with your post!

jaguar • 22 April 2013 at 8:19 PM

@meixiaotian
I;m pretty clueless sometimes as well. xP
It's a risk though for Ian cause if he encourages people to buy CC buy taking out the gifting feature then he is gambling that users will purchase the CC in the first place. So it really depends on the customer (users).

ems • 22 April 2013 at 8:21 PM

@chapus2009 😋 Thanks... I had to say that. XD People are complaining about having nothing to do with like, 20k CC or whatever. ;-; I would seriously love to have that much. Also, they complain about this destroying the economy. x'D Just... Wow. This is helping more than hurting. Plus, CC wasn't even meant for trading. Not that I didn't ever trade it, I did. But yeah~ I could go on for days. 😋

chapus • 22 April 2013 at 8:23 PM

@ems Yah, and I mean, come on, before CC gifting came we could trade, right? 😋 And nobody said that CC gifting would destroy economy. It will take some time for it to get back to normal it's not like Egg Cave will blow up.

ems • 22 April 2013 at 8:28 PM

@chapus2009 Exactly. 😋 Everybody's being a bit whiney 'cause they can't get their free CC anymore. 😋 The problem is, even if they bring gifting back--which I'd love...--users would just start abusing it again... :/ So we'll never be able to gift CC again, if we want our economy to stay stable. I guess it's worth it to me though.

Deleted • 22 April 2013 at 8:29 PM

This is unnecessary, useless, inevitable. It should never have been done.

This just stirred chaos in the peaceful society of EC.

You would know, the main motive of this update is to make it harder to earn CC, and reducing the transfers of CC in bits. People would have to buy CC rather than earn it, so the site gets their share of profit through pixels. Old creatures have increased worth, they would result in users buying more CC to pay for those creatures. More CC, more profit.

This was just unnecessary, and it happened. The EggCave society/community isnt gonna be improved, but in fact, ruined by this update.

gth

hai • 22 April 2013 at 8:43 PM

@frosted

Honestly, do you really believe that the intention of this update was for Ian to gain more money? No, he's fixing something he should have never done.

I completely disagree with your statement about Egg Cave being ruined due to this update. We didn't always have the gift CC option and we did just fine.

chapus • 22 April 2013 at 8:46 PM

@frosted I'm sorry, but when gifting wasn't here on Egg Cave, everything was fine, it wasn't chaos. This doesn't mean that this update is perfect, of course it has consequences with it.

I can accept that you don't agree with this, but I think you went a bit too harsh. :/

And look, many people were scammed with the gifting, so this will reduce some scamming with trades.

I actually liked CC trading a bit, but I'm not crying over this update either. I only bought CC once and I was still able to trade fairly well before the CC gifting option came.

I know that you aren't happy with this, but I think your comment is a bit too hard. ☹️

And seriously, if Ian wanted more 'money', he would have never put the CC gifting thing.

Deleted • 22 April 2013 at 8:49 PM

@chapus2009

They could have implemented CC in the TC, but they avoided that. Their option of rejecting that, gave rise to scams.

If they wanted money, they would disable the CC gifting. And that is what happened now. They might have realized that they dont get any profit through the gifting, so it must be cosed.

chapus • 22 April 2013 at 8:52 PM

@frosted How do you know that they closed it because of that? The sole purpose of CC gifting was in it's name. Gifting. Not trading, yet many of us did.

I once saw that @Ian explained why they couldn't do that. You don't need to forget that CC is bought using real life money, so being able to offer it on trades would just unbalance the site.

mairbear • 22 April 2013 at 9:02 PM

Wow this topic is going so strong XD

If you REALLY stopped and thought about this, you'd realize that the ONLY thing that's really changed by stopping CC gifting is the fact that you can no longer trade micro amounts of CC. This is a good thing since it's probably one of the factors that has inflated CC value like crazy.

CC trading was always based on trust. If you can trust someone to accept an offer after sending over like 2000CC, why can't you send over an egg for freezing or whatever? Plus, you can make them give you collateral if really necessary.

The only thing that needs tweeking would be the revival potions since, like other users have mentioned, those are account based.

Oh and EC monthlies! Woopie 😃

pebblestar-nightclan • 22 April 2013 at 9:04 PM

I'm not going to ping anyone directly, I just wanted to share this one little thing.

There are two things I see here. Either way, there will be problems, and people will always do something with the system they're not intended to do.

For example, with the CC gifting, people traded with it. Which wasn't what you were supposed to do, but it was a little more reassuring than the older system.

The older system required you to transfer creatures over to someone else who had the CC to change whatever it was about it.

Also, now, how are people who can't buy CC supposed to get ressurection stones? I already read about the mods' posts saying that they were thinking of the making stones and elixirs in the Cash Shop Park available for buying, but I'm still thinking about the ressurection stones.

And, the point I brought up long before, was that some people use CC to trade. Some people complain about it being unfair, but really... I fail to see what is so unfair about it.
Personally, I use CC to get around. I won't be doing it anymore, but I honestly don't care at this point. All I really need is a birthday gift for someone and two freezes. The rest? I don't know what I'll do with it.

siberian • 22 April 2013 at 10:29 PM

Great. Less CSP creatures. I'd never expect that.
I agree with many of the comments above.
@frosted yeah, that was what I thought. No profit = Closed. That was why I wasn't expecting 1 less CSP critter.

EC monthlies was the original idea about the CSP, I remember when it was about to be released. No real money was supposed to be involved, only EC.
Finally, I can't even believed. EC monthlies, promised since before the CSP release.
I'm a little happier with this.

It's hard for me to get CSP critters as It's extremely expensive for me due to my country currency. I've been trying to obtain the ones I like via trading, but it's still hard.
I believe at least things will get a bit less difficult now.

I also agree with the disbalance of EC x CC. EC was too much devalued. To buy a single CSP month set was necessary about 15 million EC. To collect this amount of EC, I needed more than years of play.
@mairbear agreed. Your CC value inflation argument makes sense.

The only problem for me related to not trade for CC is that I can't obtain Ressurection Stones for some important creatures anymore.

ladymir • 22 April 2013 at 10:40 PM

I was upset about this change at first, but after reading the reasoning I think it is a good idea. It's very difficult for new players to get started. Most new players had to purchase CC in order to get decent creatures in their cove. This makes it unfair to those who really want to get creatures but don't have the ability to purchase CC.

I support this idea. It will help even the playing field and help encourage feeds and thus help creatures grow.

Also love the idea of the Cave monthlies 😊

chapus • 22 April 2013 at 10:50 PM

Guys.

Just.

Please.

Calm down. ;-;